Mini Normal 2107 (Game Over)

[Elements]

wake, alimdia, elbirn im never voting in this game

Why not me?

[profii]

I think the only person I'd consider voting for on wagon is Salad, he possibly reluctantly voted looker and also I am pinged slightly with him sheeping elements case and saying the day will be quick - it comes over as if he is knowingly going to be inactive and assumes that case will be enough to end the day before he comes back

But that just seems to naive to be scum

[Montosh]

VC 2.1

Saudade (3):

Elbirn, Wake88, UltimatePlank

UltimatePlank (2):

Elements, Saladman27

Zote the Mighty (1):

profii

Not Voting (4):

Zote the Mighty, Saudade, Vorkuta, alimdia

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-28 15:00:00)

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Mod Notes:

Zote the Mighty is V/LA until 11/22

[Saladman27]

I don't have much time rn read much, but what's the case on saudade other than tunnelling wake?

[Elements]

I don't have much time rn read much, but what's the case on saudade other than tunnelling wake?

Not advancing the game, advocating no lynch, trying to get the looker wagon to dissolve in favour of a wake one.

[alimdia]

Alright guys, I'm posting all my reads now, partly because if there isn't actually a doctor out there, I won't make it til Day orl Night 3. If there is, please protect me again.
Okay, thats my PR directing done.

I'm going to chill on the quotes because otherwise this post will be massive:
Suspicious:

Vorkuta Day 1:

0 interactions with Looker, keeps asking for TL:DR for key points on hammer, hammer intent on post #627. DOES NOT HAMMER after midnight.
I know for a fact he was online because he was posting in other threads. So this is very suspicious. Waiting on his partner to do a fake claim to draw out a town PR perhaps?
Tunnels on wake like Saudade and Looker.
At post 80 and 119 he says
"People who need to post more and I'm going to bug in a bit
{salad, Zote, Looker, almidia}"
Never follows up on that, so its something scum can easily say to make it seem like they are doing stuff, but is not.
Never directly talks to me until post #569
Never talks to Zote day 1....
Does talk about salad in post 309, but maybe to prevent wake wagon from losing steam.
Keeps vote on wake all of day 1 starting from post #163
Vorkuta Day 2: Nothing he has said so far has changed my mind

Saudade Day 1:

Is very much based on Looker's day 1 actions. See below
Tunnels hard on wake wagon.
Refuses to go on Looker wagon.
Since we know scum team of 2, bussing your partner on day 1 = you're fucked. Saudade could very well be Looker's partner.

Day 2:

Asks for no lynch....

Meanwhile Looker day 1:

Looker's random vote was on Saudade. Scum have a higher than average chance of voting their partner.
Post #222, "very comfortable with my Saudade vote." with 0 reasoning.
Looker talks to Wake.
Looker talks to Zote
'Reluctantly conceddes that Saudade is not scum anymore, when he didnt have a case to begin with.'
Starts attacking me because I am trying to wagon him.
Attacks Saudade again, when in the last post he just said conceded on Saudade
Basically majority of his posts are either at me or Saudade. Votes Elements for trash reasons, we discussed this on Day 1.
Votes UP because Up sheeping wagons.

[alimdia]

I think that UltimatePlank, Eibern, Wake, Elements, profii and to a lesser extent Zote are town.
Unfortunately, that means Saladman is null.

No, I'm not going to explain why, nor will I say who I think is 'most town'. The players that go back to read posts based off Looker's flip, the way his wagon formed should be able to form their own opinions.
Plus it might put a target if I lay out a good case of why they are town. Plus, there is always the possibility I might be wrong about one of Vorkuta/Saudade being scum. I think town has the game in the bag, barring any 'non-normal' mechanics.
Scum will now have to choose between PR hunting, killing other 'really town looking people' or killing obvtown me. If they fuck up another nightkill (I'm assuming the last one was protected but yea), that's an extra lynch for us.

Yes, I'm WIFOMing scum right now.

In conclusion, I'd like to vote either Saudade or Vorkuta, based on my previous posts.
I want to give Saudade the opportunity to formally claim mason if he's serious about it, and out his partner to confirm, since there is only 1 scum left. And having 2 more confirmed town would help greatly.

[Saladman27]

VOTE: Saudade Plank’s null to me now. I chose saud over vork based on his interactions with looker and last time I played with scum!vork he did SvS (is that right?) with his partner, unlike here where he never interacted with looker.

[profii]

I didn't realise Vortuka was posting elsewhere in the 'intent to hammer... 20 hours... someone else hammers' phase. That curious.
I'm still happy with my Zote vote but I'd also go Vortuka if a wagon started there.
I am not sure if we had a doctor or a traitor NK event so in my mind I'm hoping for doctor, 1 scum remaining, but planning for the worst - 2 + traitor which actually seems feasible in an 11p setup to me. It still doesn't change my Alimdia town read either way.


The traitor angle makes things really interesting, because let's assume scum knew of the traitor, either by mod info at game start or because their roles indicated 2v9 is a step too far and they guessed. So that means they (potentially) shot someone who was obv-scum to try and get them into their ranks. You could easily make a case for that being Saudade and you could make the case that Saudade was this obv-scum to try and attract his team and bring him into the fold.

I think you could probably make a similar argument for Vortuka - given the lack of hammer and fuelling the massive distraction with Wimpy at game start


But it could well just simply be a doc save and I'm over thinking too - that would make vortuka a 'safer' bet from my PoV but I dunno, there is a lot to discuss.

[alimdia]

Interesting that traitor is included in normal.

Also, Looker's role PM was shown, and it said nothing about traitor?

VOTE: Vorkuta

Once again, giving Saudade to claim or withdraw his claim of mason.

[profii]

good point - scum didnt know the existence of the traitor, so they might have setup spec'd it but idk - I haven't played enough 11p games to recall if 2v9 is normal but judging by the reaction in this game, most people were leaning 3v8 so maybe the scum setup spec'd it but it becomes less likely.

So let's operate on the more likely assumption that the scum tried to kill the most towny dude (you) and you got protection. To me, that says Saudade wouldn't be open-wolf'ing to lure a night kill onto himself, which makes him more towny.

I'll join you on Vortuka, especially in light of your comment about him being active during the intent phase of day 1.

VOTE: Vortuka

[Wake1]

Gut's telling me it's Profii.

[alimdia]

Gut's telling me it's Profii.

casepls

[Saudade]

VOTE: Saudade Plank’s null to me now. I chose saud over vork based on his interactions with looker and last time I played with scum!vork he did SvS (is that right?) with his partner, unlike here where he never interacted with looker.

Great, what interaction between me and looker pinged you?

[Saudade]

Or have you chosen me because vork didnt interact with looker, which means you havent read me at all and just hopping on the wagon

[Saudade]

Interesting that traitor is included in normal.

Also, Looker's role PM was shown, and it said nothing about traitor?

VOTE: Vorkuta

Once again, giving Saudade to claim or withdraw his claim of mason.

I am big dick mason and you will deal with it as such

[Elements]

VOTE: saudade
L-1

[Saudade]

Huh

[Saudade]

Half these votes are pretty null

[Saudade]

VOTE: saudade
L-1

You will eat rope for this

[alimdia]

Interesting that traitor is included in normal.

Also, Looker's role PM was shown, and it said nothing about traitor?

VOTE: Vorkuta

Once again, giving Saudade to claim or withdraw his claim of mason.

I am big dick mason and you will deal with it as such

You're not rly helping yourself much here

I'm trying to do Vorkuta here first

[UltimatePlank]

so when are we lynching the mason fakeclaim

[alimdia]

I'm hoping tomorrow.

I really wanna do Vorkuta first cos at least Saudade talks.

[UltimatePlank]

i mean, is actively scummy not worse than lurking?

[profii]

Vortuka fueled a bug mess with wimpy, that was actively dummy
Vortuka didn't talk about looker at all, that's actively dummy
Vortuka declared intent but didn't come back to the game for the rest of the game day despite posting elsewhere, so someone else hammered, also dummy


But the thinking is -in a 2p scum team- Saudade openly tunnels off the scum wagon to blatantly defend his scum pal... I don't think so

I mean until we see another Mason claim he simply isn't a Mason either but I doubt he is scum