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Titus · Post Post #325 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:10 pm

In post 318, Rise wrote:Yeah, I do feel a bit personally responsible for the Blatant lynch. I get it if I'm grilled today. (Although I'm still not convinced you're town, Guilty.)

Sure, but I don't hold you responsible at all. The people I'd look at are the coasters and whiteknighters here. BS's play benefitted scum. Even though the lynch was wrong, it was pro town. Those happen sometimes.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #326 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:19 pm

In post 324, Titus wrote:
In post 316, GuiltyLion wrote:Also, no matter how antitown they are, you never hammer an un-CC'd doctor claim on D1.
That's just flat out wrong. I'm not trading our doctor, if one even exists, for outed scum. If BS was scum, my move was very optimal. Based on BS's play, hammering was the correct move to make.

Sure, BS was town here by fluke but BS wasn't a claimed doctor. He soft claimed to fish with intent on him.

A)

you always trade an outed PR (especially a doc) for a guaranteed scum one for one

. Pretending otherwise is a huge lie and honestly borderline problematic to try to claim that in a newbie game even if it is for your benefit.
B) Your argument is also ridiculous because you're pretending like doctor is important in one breath ("I'm not trading our doctor") while also

trying to justify hammering the doctor

. You didn't protect our doctor, instead you traded our doctor for literally nothing
C) BS was, in fact, a claimed doctor. I don't know why he said "soft" but that was extremely obviously a doctor claim and pretending otherwise is also ridiculous.

In post 325, Titus wrote:BS's play benefitted scum.

Not really, no.

in fact (this point is irrelevant but) I would say part of

good

doctor play is to be slightly mislynchable so that scum don't think of NKing you

In post 325, Titus wrote:Even though the lynch was wrong, it was pro town.

arguing that lynching the doctor on D1 is "pro-town" lmao

To any newbies on the fence - do not listen to this crap from Titus, hammering the doctor was

extremely

anti-town, like I am using as much bold as I can to emphasize this point as much as possible

GuiltyLion · Post Post #327 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:20 pm

In post 325, Titus wrote:
In post 318, Rise wrote:Yeah, I do feel a bit personally responsible for the Blatant lynch. I get it if I'm grilled today. (Although I'm still not convinced you're town, Guilty.)
Sure, but I don't hold you responsible at all. The people I'd look at are the coasters and whiteknighters here. BS's play benefitted scum. Even though the lynch was wrong, it was pro town. Those happen sometimes.

this post also suggests that Rise/Titus probably aren't a team which is ++townpoints for Rise. Titus is buddying her here.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #328 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:27 pm

In post 3, Plotinus wrote:An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

literal mod confirmation that Titus is lying lmao

Map Wolf · Post Post #329 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:00 pm

The hammer was really stupid if town and really scummy regardless of alignment.

It's like a 50/50 that it's a genuine doctor... not worth the risk.

Plotinus · Post Post #330 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:50 pm

Official Vote Count 2.01

Yangtze, China

LynchingWith 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Titus

(1): GuiltyLion

Not Voting

(6): faüstiv, GayBabyJailor, Map Wolf, Rise, TheGildedSun, Titus

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-26 18:15:00).

Mod notes:

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faüstiv · Post Post #331 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:53 pm

fuck sake our docs dead

faüstiv · Post Post #332 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:59 pm

In post 314, GuiltyLion wrote:other players of suspicion:

faustiv I really didn't like that L-1 vote especially claiming "Blatant Scum is easily being townread" when I was literally the only person townreading and defending Blatant when he had 3 other players voting him and another (Rise) posturing to vote him. And also why would being easily townread be scum-indicative?? If he's scum then there's only one other buddy to defend him. Widely being townread is
usually
a town-tell as it generally means the scum are townreading players they don't want to touch / don't think can be plausibly scumread or pushed.

TGS still has not done anything of consequence this game

Rise we'll have to see what she does today. Only real pushes yesterday were on town.

you’re misrepping me.

I didnt vote BS because he was easily being TRed. When I was casing Titus I noticed something off with their interactions so I wanted to vote either of them because I thought they could be a scumteam. Titus was unattainable yesterday so I chose BS.

I’m on phone so I will expand on this later.

faüstiv · Post Post #333 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:03 pm

In post 324, Titus wrote:
In post 316, GuiltyLion wrote:Also, no matter how antitown they are, you never hammer an un-CC'd doctor claim on D1.
That's just flat out wrong. I'm not trading our doctor, if one even exists, for outed scum. If BS was scum, my move was very optimal. Based on BS's play, hammering was the correct move to make.

Sure, BS was town here by fluke but BS wasn't a claimed doctor. He soft claimed to fish with intent on him.

yeah I don’t understand this logic at all.

Titus · Post Post #334 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:19 am

In post 329, Map Wolf wrote:The hammer was really stupid if town and really scummy regardless of alignment.

It's like a 50/50 that it's a genuine doctor... not worth the risk.

It was not a 50/50 risk. Town players don't soft claim. Period. I thought I was protecting the real doctor or preventing scum from coasting on a fake claim

TheGildedSun · Post Post #335 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:47 am

Actually I've seen instances where townies have soft claimed

faüstiv · Post Post #336 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:28 am

hmmmmmmmmmm

this is quite the conundrum

faüstiv · Post Post #337 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:29 am

In post 334, Titus wrote:
In post 329, Map Wolf wrote:The hammer was really stupid if town and really scummy regardless of alignment.

It's like a 50/50 that it's a genuine doctor... not worth the risk.
It was not a 50/50 risk. Town players don't soft claim. Period. I thought I was protecting the real doctor or preventing scum from coasting on a fake claim

are you going to answer my question?

faüstiv · Post Post #338 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:31 am

actually there’s questions from d1 you haven’t answered as well.

faüstiv · Post Post #339 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:32 am

I do have some thoughts which I plan to outline later.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #340 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:38 am

In post 334, Titus wrote: Town players don't soft claim. Period.

Town players don't hammer an un-CC'd doc claim on Day 1. Period.

Here's another angle on why Titus is scum - if she were town, she'd be feeling more remorse about the outcome of that hammer, she'd understand why she is a target of suspicion today and know that she's likely going to be a mislynch (because also if she were town scum would easily be working this for a follow up Lynch), and she'd be doing everything she can to try to figure out who is scum taking advantage while accepting that her actions hurt town.

Instead, her main focus so far today has been to defend that hammer, to try to argue that it was actually pro-town. That's because her goal is to survive and make us question ourselves for pushing her, her goal is not to find scum.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #341 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:40 am

like frankly in the universe where I were scum and Titus were town I'd probably be posting the exact same posts today

but

I'm town and she can't be allowed to live until endgame

Rise · Post Post #342 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:47 am

I'm trying to not be on the fence here, but I'm genuinely struggling. On one hand, Guilty's case is airtight on a fundamental level, but on the other, I can kinda see why Titus did it. Leaning towards Guilty rn but this is confusing.

Rise · Post Post #343 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:50 am

Based on what happened so far, I feel like there's one scum in Titus/Guilty. Seeing one flip will probably give us something.

Updated townreads probably goes MW, faustiv, GBJ I guess.

Rise · Post Post #344 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:50 am

TGS, are you agreeing with Titus here?

Titus · Post Post #345 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:16 am

@GuiltyLion,

The only person trying to take advantage of the hammer is you. You're the only one pushing that, to the point of blocking out all other conversation. The appeal to authority was particularly icky.

Rise · Post Post #346 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:35 am

Also #322 was interesting and definitely different from my thought process at the time. Hmmm.

Rise · Post Post #347 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:41 am

Unsure how I feel about that.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #348 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:42 am

In post 345, Titus wrote:@GuiltyLion,

The only person trying to take advantage of the hammer is you. You're the only one pushing that, to the point of blocking out all other conversation. The appeal to authority was particularly icky.

I'm pushing it because it's extremely scummy to turbo hammer a town PR like that. That's a scum play, it is the scummiest thing anyone has done this entire game.

I'm not blocking any conversation. You can talk about whatever you want, you haven't chosen to offer anything other than to defend yourself.

What appeal to authority? The part where I told the newbies that there's no excuse to hammer a PR claim before everyone has a chance to react and potentially CC? The part that's outlined in the mod post for newbies about how CCing a claim is beneficial to town when you lied and acted like it wasn't? How is that icky? Explain.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #349 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:45 am

In post 342, Rise wrote:I can kinda see why Titus did it.

I could absolutely see someone doing something similar if they're a newbie and don't have a lot of experience, but again, Titus has been around since 2013, she

prides

herself on mechanics based plays and reasoning. There's no universe where she should get that wrong. It was objectively a bad play that only serves to benefit the scum agenda.