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Post Post #2125 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:08 pm

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In post 2100, Iconeum wrote:backup tracker
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someone in here is lying because i don't believe there's gonna be 4 town PR in a 9 p game
like, one of the claims is
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there's confscum in (emps/luca)
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Post Post #2126 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:08 pm

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In post 2123, Luca Blight wrote:Icon, glancing through your ISO it feels like you've been protecting emps the whole game. You've never once took any effort to sort that slot/put pressure on him.

And I'm pretty damn sure emps is scum.
i havent pressured you either, or datisi iirc

and?
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Post Post #2127 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:12 pm

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Luca

You iso pretty consistenly puts emps at the bottom of your readslist, yet you never actually push him

and when push came to shove, you agreed with me that lynching emps would be a bad thing at the time
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Post Post #2128 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:13 pm

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In post 2125, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2100, Iconeum wrote:backup tracker
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someone in here is lying because i don't believe there's gonna be 4 town PR in a 9 p game
like, one of the claims is
guaranteed
to be lying

there's confscum in (emps/luca)
Yes, that would be emps.

Claiming doctor and then protecting the most TR player who wasn't the NK both nights is very convenient.

My claim makes sense with the setup. There's also the fact that emps has been protected by at least one guaranteed scum (icon, Datisi) this game, has coasted through doing nothing and disingenuously hammered Pops before she could even claim.
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Post Post #2129 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:15 pm

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In post 2127, Iconeum wrote:Luca

You iso pretty consistenly puts emps at the bottom of your readslist, yet you never actually push him

and when push came to shove, you agreed with me that lynching emps would be a bad thing at the time
Because I TR you and Datisi and trusted your read.

The difference is you know I'm not emps' partner, so I obviously wasn't protecting him, as one of you two were.
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Post Post #2130 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:21 pm

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In post 675, Luca Blight wrote:Datisi, are you townreading emps?
In post 859, Luca Blight wrote:Datisi
Town Read

Icon
...
Menalque
Ali
Aldu
Null

emps
Wicked/Wimpy
Scum-lean


That's kind of where I'm at right now.
In post 1105, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 1103, emps wrote:oh boy the posts abt "being above the null line is leaning town!!!" are why i always label my stuff lol
I agree with this - it's a misunderstanding that could easily be avoided, and it now looks like he's backpedaling/making it up as he goes along as a result.

I'm leaning slightly Town on Alim atm, though - the way he openly challenged me and then switched straight to you had a genuine feel about it.
In post 1109, Luca Blight wrote:
@emps
, I know you pushed Wimpy. Aldu was townreading you for
not
pushing Wimpy while scumreading me for doing the opposite, so I was pointing out that this doesn't make sense as you literally pushed Wimpy more than I did.

Since then Aldu has changed his tune and said he townreads emps because he pushed Wimpy while being comfortable in the spotlight, which is contradictory to what he said before and shows he's making it up as he goes along.
In post 1118, Luca Blight wrote:Datisi
Town Read

Icon
...
Pops
Menalque
Alim
----Null line----
emps,Wicked
Aldu
Scum-lean


Revised edition of my reads.
In post 1134, Luca Blight wrote:I could see emps/Aldu being the scumteam actually.
In post 1140, Luca Blight wrote:
@Alim
: If emps doesn't offer up something good soon then I might be willing to switch over.
I'm 99% sure you aren't scum with emps, but i can see it entirely possible you bring him to LYLO as the mislynch. You literally set him up through your ISO as your 'natural' scumread here

through your entire progression you seem to have a scumread on emps, but you never really attempt to further this read, and you even engage with him at one point in a way that isn't consistent with an honest scumread

jezus christ there's literally only 2 options here

emps/datisi
luca/datisi
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Post Post #2131 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:23 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 2094, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2092, Luca Blight wrote:Wait, so no-one is claiming Tracker?
that makes sense if you are Informed town
In post 2096, Iconeum wrote:it's literally Datisi/emps

don't ask me how

it's exactly PoE
In post 2097, Iconeum wrote:unless Luca is faking his claim

but that claim makes zero sense coming from scum so
In post 2099, Iconeum wrote:that makes sense now
In post 2125, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2100, Iconeum wrote:backup tracker
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someone in here is lying because i don't believe there's gonna be 4 town PR in a 9 p game
like, one of the claims is
guaranteed
to be lying

there's confscum in (emps/luca)


This is an interesting progression; going from believing my claim to making out it's 50/50 between me and emps.

Do you have any reason at all to believe emps' claim over mine?
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Post Post #2132 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:23 pm

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and luca basicly has to say it's

emps/icon
emps/datisi
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Post Post #2133 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:24 pm

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In post 2131, Luca Blight wrote:This is an interesting progression; going from believing my claim to making out it's 50/50 between me and emps.Do you have any reason at all to believe emps' claim over mine?
dude i don't fucking know anymore

i'm trying to figure it out
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Post Post #2134 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:24 pm

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tbh i feel that doc is the odd duck in this setup
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Post Post #2135 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:25 pm

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In post 2130, Iconeum wrote:
through your entire progression you seem to have a scumread on emps, but you never really attempt to further this read,
and you even engage with him at one point in a way that isn't consistent with an honest scumread
Explain this one?

Also, emps was never a clear SR for me - I only ever leaned scum on his purely for lack of content.
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Post Post #2136 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:25 pm

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but that makes town power on the very low side
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Post Post #2137 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:25 pm

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for datisi it has to be

emps/ico
luca/ico

i suppose

lol
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Post Post #2138 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:27 pm

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In post 2135, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 2130, Iconeum wrote:
through your entire progression you seem to have a scumread on emps, but you never really attempt to further this read,
and you even engage with him at one point in a way that isn't consistent with an honest scumread
Explain this one?

Also, emps was never a clear SR for me - I only ever leaned scum on his purely for lack of content.
and

don't feel like you scumread emps
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Post Post #2139 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:30 pm

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literally the only scenario where datisi isn't scum is if both of luca and emps fakeclaimed

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Post Post #2140 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:30 pm

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In post 2138, Iconeum wrote: and

don't feel like you scumread emps
1105 - I was agreeing about how to format a readslist.

1109 - I was clarifying because emps seemed to misunderstand my post.

Neither of these are indicative of my read on him, and as I said I was only ever SL'ing him due to lack of content.
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Post Post #2141 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:32 pm

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i don't know how to make sense of this

my gut says doc doesn't fit in this setup

but it's such an out of this world claim that i don't think it can come from scum
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Post Post #2142 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:35 pm

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like, why does scum!emps claim doc
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Post Post #2143 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:36 pm

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In post 2141, Iconeum wrote:i don't know how to make sense of this

my gut says doc doesn't fit in this setup

but it's such an out of this world claim that i don't think it can come from scum
How is it more
out of this world
than mine?
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Post Post #2144 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:36 pm

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In post 2142, Iconeum wrote:like, why does scum!emps claim doc
Because after his hammer/general play this game he was always going to be suspect number 1 unless he could pull a believable claim out of his arse?
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Post Post #2145 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:37 pm

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because your claim makes sense with there actually being a back up tracker

whateveraalignment!emps comes into massclaim, EXPECTING (like everyone else here), there is a tracker

he claims doc
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Post Post #2146 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:39 pm

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In post 2145, Iconeum wrote:because your claim makes sense with there actually being a back up tracker

whateveraalignment!emps comes into massclaim, EXPECTING (like everyone else here), there is a tracker

he claims doc
I was also expecting there to be a Tracker.

It's also possible emps could be RB and targeted Datisi both nights, which might have got him off the hook with the Tracker.
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Post Post #2147 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:39 pm

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so if you say emps is scum that means you agree that

scum!emps thinks there is a tracker
he also knows there's a FN
backup tracker
and he adds doc to that

for what

why does scum!emps not just come out of the gate with a guilty tracker result, battle it out with the actual tracker and either win game for scum, or setup a 3p for his partner?
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Post Post #2148 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:40 pm

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on the other hand

if luca is lying then

backup tracker
FN
doc

is such a mess of a setup
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Post Post #2149 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:41 pm

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In post 2147, Iconeum wrote: why does scum!emps not just come out of the gate with a guilty tracker result, battle it out with the actual tracker and either win game for scum, or setup a 3p for his partner?
Because it wouldn't be believable?
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