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I am reading both flipped scum at this moment, but I do think L9 is more likely scum than you. Her activity during first dance and her trajectory this dance have both felt suspect. Although I will find it a rather questionable design choice if the moderator ended up having the scum slots as the lowest numbers.
On a more humorous note, I feel like the last scum could be thinking, “The last line has been breached! Dang it, deploy it now!”-
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this is a solid take/objectively likely, pred agreed fwiwIn post 3810, Lady 5 wrote:The only world where G5 and L4 did is where at least one of L6/L9 is Mafia
that being said i kind of have to have this stance now so :BIG SHRUG:
i had g8's minimalistic posting totally backwards but like, i liked his reads man
sadly all the solves around sod have g1 as scum before l9 so i'm kinda screaming internally-
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i appreciate this, obv. sorting l6 isn't valuable now but it's good to remember scum wincon aorn is to be **in the endgame pair**, esp. from g8's pov in f6 as final pair was {g2l9, g1l2}In post 3827, Gentleman 3 wrote:
If L6 is scum their wincon is certainly not to keep the scum in G1/L2 alive to endgame. Scum have no incentive to keep each other alive here. What they have an incentive to do is to avoid creating any associatives.In post 3824, Lady 5 wrote:L6 is most likely scum trying to avoid getting the pair of G1/L2 lynched.-
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anyone surviving have a pov on whether the latter part of this applies to g7/g8 as well? don't believe i'll be able to dive it in timeIn post 3833, Lady 5 wrote:
Why? I still never have the soul reason why.In post 3829, Lady 6 wrote:I don't think L5 has an interest to regardless of her alignment. L5's push back is survivalistic. The G5 G6 fight was secondary to the push on G8 which did get traction somewhat yesterday. Today, people forget G8 exists. Lady 5 picking fights, regardless of her alignment does something for someone.
I'm not opposed to a G1 lynch but I'm strongly in favor of a G8 lynch. So was G5 before he was shot.
And no one forgot G8 exists. G1 was the Lynch Day 1 if G4 and G6 didn’t have a fit.-
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In my own readings I noted G7 pointing at G8 and L2 being mafia together during first dance, and I am also seeing the bus strategy I think was mentioned here. This might get rough.In post 4379, Lady 2 wrote:Spoiler:
G7/G8 bus pattern is quite strong. G7 pivot from G1 to G8 d2 is interesting - either deeper bus or guilty conscience (lean weakly latter due to quick shift)
all i'm getting from this is that i want to check my predecessor's suggestion that G7 spewed that G1/G8 aren't scum together-
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i'm probably spending too much time dwelling on this but it's an interesting universeIn post 3834, Lady 5 wrote:You didn’t Town yourself?
Also This is why I compare you with Gent 7 over Lady 9 with Gent 7 because of that vote.
Gent 7 also switched until G1 which is the right move. But then says Lady 9 is the scum. Which I feel a scum vibe of him saying that with no doubt in his mind.
It’s like it makes sense for the team to be G1, G7 and L6.
L6 scum Reads G1 but doesn’t push. Votes G8.
G7 Voted G8 previously, G7 tells mafia “Hey let’s kill G5/L4 and blame it on L9”. Then bus votes G1.
G1 telling mafia they give up and taking one for the team.
G1 In NO WORLD dose he vote G7/L7.
He may vote L9 to make it seem like a bus
He may vote L6 and try to convince me his Town even though that’s stupid.
Or vote L6 and tell G7 that they could be mafia.
He may vote G8 as it makes the most probable sense as a mafia to do that makes them Null Mafia leaving no interactions.
not sure this remains valuable when removing l6 from the equation (or replacing her with g1/l9) :/-
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I assume you are talking about whether G7 or G8 would have been lynched in that phase, if so G8 stood a good chance of getting lynched then, G7 not so much.In post 4385, Lady 2 wrote:
anyone surviving have a pov on whether the latter part of this applies to g7/g8 as well? don't believe i'll be able to dive it in timeIn post 3833, Lady 5 wrote:
Why? I still never have the soul reason why.In post 3829, Lady 6 wrote:I don't think L5 has an interest to regardless of her alignment. L5's push back is survivalistic. The G5 G6 fight was secondary to the push on G8 which did get traction somewhat yesterday. Today, people forget G8 exists. Lady 5 picking fights, regardless of her alignment does something for someone.
I'm not opposed to a G1 lynch but I'm strongly in favor of a G8 lynch. So was G5 before he was shot.
And no one forgot G8 exists. G1 was the Lynch Day 1 if G4 and G6 didn’t have a fit.-
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Looking at that, I have trouble making out the message of the latter half of that post.In post 4387, Lady 2 wrote:
i'm probably spending too much time dwelling on this but it's an interesting universeIn post 3834, Lady 5 wrote:You didn’t Town yourself?
Also This is why I compare you with Gent 7 over Lady 9 with Gent 7 because of that vote.
Gent 7 also switched until G1 which is the right move. But then says Lady 9 is the scum. Which I feel a scum vibe of him saying that with no doubt in his mind.
It’s like it makes sense for the team to be G1, G7 and L6.
L6 scum Reads G1 but doesn’t push. Votes G8.
G7 Voted G8 previously, G7 tells mafia “Hey let’s kill G5/L4 and blame it on L9”. Then bus votes G1.
G1 telling mafia they give up and taking one for the team.
G1 In NO WORLD dose he vote G7/L7.
He may vote L9 to make it seem like a bus
He may vote L6 and try to convince me his Town even though that’s stupid.
Or vote L6 and tell G7 that they could be mafia.
He may vote G8 as it makes the most probable sense as a mafia to do that makes them Null Mafia leaving no interactions.
not sure this remains valuable when removing l6 from the equation (or replacing her with g1/l9) :/-
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In post 3985, Gentleman 8 wrote:1: Seems to be more concerned with trying to find scum than trying to look town, which is a good thing. Not sure how I feel about the emphasis on traditional scumhunting over townblocking, but of the 5-ish recent posts I get townpings from 3842, 3961 and 3963.In post 3985, Gentleman 8 wrote:7: Defense of G3 is pretty awkward, or at least is painted as pretty awkward by L2, L7, G3. I should probably look into context around 3896. 3965 and the subsequent complete disagreement from G3 is interesting. The fact that he completely agrees with 3's mission statement in 3968 is very interesting.In post 3990, Gentleman 8 wrote:L2: Major townvibes. Particularly 3966. If I pick an endgame pair right now, it's this one.
the way g8 distances from g7 here is really interesting; he's using l7 as leverage for not lynching his scumbuddy. having he then does a very similar thing with L9 (implying she's a manipulator; saying we should leave her alone until lategame) and states g1/myself as the endgame pair is like kinda tingling my brainIn post 3990, Gentleman 8 wrote:L9: I feel like in a gamestate where everyone seems confused as fuck, L9 seems to be the one who knows the most. Not sure if that's an AI thing for her, but it is definitely eyebrow raising. I'd like a readslist from her, tbh, along with reasoning behind her PoE. Honestly not sure why she's catching flak for scumreading me if I'm a lurker slot and she does have reasoning for the PoE though.
Mathematically, I want to shoot for a doublescum rn if at all possible. L9 should be tabled until F4 or a significantly less confused gamestate, because that pair CAN'T be doublescum.
VOTE: G3
I'd probably also go in on a G7 lynch, but I feel like L7 is a better bet to keep around longer.
If someone could explain to me why the thread at large seems to thing G1/L5/L9 are all flavors of scummy I'd be appreciative.
fuck it's just dawning on me l9 pushed a "you are scum with g8, and we are going to flip g8 to prove it" which makes me feel like she's just been positioning our lynch QQ-
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I have finished reading the flipped mafia and I am almost ready to decide who between L9 and L2 is mafia, but I want to read L9 because while I have looked at L2’s activity density around the time where the game went crazy I have not looked at L9’s, I have only used the fact her post count has been rather low and the fact I recalled little from her at that time to make my impression there.
I am still thinking L9 is scum, but I want to do whatever I can to increase my ability to get this right, so I am not locking myself in yet.-
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cool, i rate thatIn post 4392, Gentleman 1 wrote:I have finished reading the flipped mafia and I am almost ready to decide who between L9 and L2 is mafia, but I want to read L9 because while I have looked at L2’s activity density around the time where the game went crazy I have not looked at L9’s, I have only used the fact her post count has been rather low and the fact I recalled little from her at that time to make my impression there.
I am still thinking L9 is scum, but I want to do whatever I can to increase my ability to get this right, so I am not locking myself in yet.
could you give me some like cliffnotes from flipped scum on l9?-
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I guess I can talk about what my presumed retroactive game state analysis is. I think G8 was supposed to flip before G7 and G7 was supposed to use that as a point to be thrust into endgame. This makes a fair bit of sense if L9 is scum as that option likely does not last too long, but thinking about it you, by which I mean L2 if it is not clear, were probably a better choice to get to the end as long as I didn’t weigh the pairing down too far, so their chronic bussing honestly implicates L9 that way.-
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I wanted 7-7 pair out thoughIn post 4395, Gentleman 1 wrote:I guess I can talk about what my presumed retroactive game state analysis is. I think G8 was supposed to flip before G7 and G7 was supposed to use that as a point to be thrust into endgame. This makes a fair bit of sense if L9 is scum as that option likely does not last too long, but thinking about it you, by which I mean L2 if it is not clear, were probably a better choice to get to the end as long as I didn’t weigh the pairing down too far, so their chronic bussing honestly implicates L9 that way.
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I laid out my pointsIn post 4378, Lady 2 wrote:L9
if we are t/ting
i am like, desperate for you to engage with me when you get back into the thread
g1 i need to hear where your mind is at, please. as much detail as you can. no more PT posting.
Your predecessor freaked out over it, ignored my points, and then you took the reigns and are also ignoring them
So no, I don't see you as town, and you're also doing this thing where You make a point, I make a counterpoint, and you point to that to say that I'm trying to look town or something-
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ThisIn post 4307, Lady 9 wrote:
Oh, I do have a response to this though.In post 4275, Lady 2 wrote:I'm too old for pulling even a semi-all nighter. And My brain is friend for [presentation IRL type stuff but nonspecific here] where I will have to discuss things with LOGIC and REASON. But I will credit you guys for making me fall in love with the game of Mafia all over again.
G2, L9 is scum
In post 2998, Gentleman 7 wrote:Okay, so the next little bit is pretty much the same thing.
Can we lynch G8/L5 first?
1. They're both pretty scummy and I feel fairly confident at least 1 will flip scum (probably not both, though).
2. They're going to be lynched anyways and we might as well do it now. I'd rather have more information from that lynch first.
3. This will give me time to read and try to make an informed opinion that lets me sort through the noise a bit better?
4. This lets other people in thread cool their heads.
VOTE: Gentleman 8
This is why I have ruled out G1/G8 as a pair. Because G7 would not have hard pushed a lynch on one (G8) of his two buddies to directly set up a lynch on his other buddy (G1) by virtue of his buddy's partner (L2) supposedly being scum with the first (G8). That's a very extremely risky hard bus for that stage of the game. Nah, if G8 is scum with G7, G7 is setting up a mislynch on a T-T pair here. And if G8 is Town G7 is just working on a mislynch and can go on his merry way regardless of G1's alignment when L8 flips T. This is why I don't think this logic holds true of G1/L5 as a pair - if he gets that lynch and it's T-S but L5 flips scum and G8 Town, G7 doesn't push on to push G1/L2 because L5-scum doesn't imply L2-scum like G8-scum does by his argument.In post 3005, Gentleman 7 wrote:
I have reads but I'm keeping them in the PT.In post 3001, Gentleman 6 wrote:L9 where is your catch up...
L7 do you have any reads L4 do you have any reads
Still haven't looked at G5, and I'm liking L8 less for her posts recently. They feel like they're just to throw doubt around in an unfocused way.
If G8 is scum, I'd be okay with a L2 lynch after.
I don't see them pairing up if they're both scum because I feel like L2 could be town who can live for a long time and G8 would be more of a burden. Yes, it's possible that G8 randomly invited L7 and then L5, but I don't really know, especially when anyone could just read a couple random pages and decide to keep L5 around.
I'm bad at reading AtE, though I think L5 isn't scum, but I still don't feel confident in that. I think 1 person in that team is scum.
G6, was it you who wanted G5 to die first? Why are they a better pick over L5/G8 for being first?
P-edit. Oh, I just realized you weren't talking to me. Oh well.
Your argument is that g1 cannot be scum with g8, because g7 planned to lynch both of them.
I present the following piece of evidence:
Look at the wagon on Gent 8/Lady 5. Gent 7 is on it, but so am I.In post 4032, FakeGod wrote:
I pushed on Gent 7 pair this phase.
I've done the same thing that you say means gent 1/gent 8 can't be scum together, yet you've never mentioned that, didn't even consider it.
You're effectively saying that I bussed my whole team, but that g1 isn't scum because g7 would have been bussing his whole team, and that would be way too risky
Your slot is saying that G1/Gent 8 can't be scum together because G7 would have had to have been pushing on G8 and setting up on G1
I pointed out that it's the same scenario if I'm scum where I'd be pushing on one and setting up on the other
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