Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Luca Blight]

I assume you’ve played with scum!icon before, Datisi. How does this game compare?

[Datisi]

I actually have not*. We have 5 completed games together, and he was Town every time. I misread him 50% of the time though.

*he was Mafia against me once in Lynch Happy, which is a pretty weird and unbalanced setup, and which I had to replace out of almost immediately after it started due to being busy irl, and I really don't remeber that much from it.

[emps]

So you're telling me you missed the L-1 votecount at the bottom of the previous page? And you said you liked my points against pops but missed the part where I requested an un-vote?

wait what you requested an unvote?

[emps]

oh wow i really am blind

[emps]

what the actual fuck is this setup

[Wickedestjr]

I disagree about Alim being particularly TR.

I thought he was a more popular town read than me, Ico, or emps. I believe that you and Datisi were really the only more popular town reads yesterday. And if one or both of you are scum, then that makes alimdia a very reasonable nightkill choice. If anything, I would argue that an alimdia kill makes the least sense for an Ico/emps team if we're just looking at who had town cred; I would have expected them to kill you or Datisi last night.

Also, given Icon’s reason for reading Alim as a PR, I’m sure he would have read Aldu as a PR after he refused to claim.

Personally I didn’t think there was anything pr indicative about either of them.

From my point of view, Aldu looked like a VT. I think it's a bit of a jump to say Ico-scum killed Aldu for looking like a PR, even though you didn't necessarily read him that way yourself.

I know that Ico said he thought alimdia was a PR, but Ico only admitted that he thought alimdia was a power role when you asked him about this post. If your theory is true, then I'm not sure if he would admit that as scum. And if Ico was scum that killed alimdia for that reason, then why would he also 'strongly advise people not to push alimdia' yesterday? I would think that Ico-scum might like to see the supposed PR get votes and potentially have to claim.

I think if me and Datisi were scum we’d at least have paused to consider claiming Tracker.

This is a very fair point. My only argument against this is that you/Datisi thought that your ability would earn you some town cred and you both planned on claiming what you claimed regardless of how everyone else claimed. But I really don't know...

[emps]

to explain the crumb

ive literally never ever crumbed my role before

mostly because im lazy but shhhhh

and uh that was like the only doc crumb that came to mind after thinking for like a good 30 mins lol

[Datisi]

Wicked, do you think amildia kill makes any sense from Icon/Luca? Because looking at those two teams (Icon-emps and Icon-Luca), Icon/emps strike me as more likely for it.

[emps]

what the fuck is going on

ok so it has to be luca/datisi or luca/ico

but i tr both datisi and ico

[Wickedestjr]

If we lynch emps today and there’s still no ‘conftown’ player among the three final players then it plays into scum’s hands.

Alternatively, we could lynch emps' hypothetical partner and have him 'protect' me tonight. Hypothetically, catching his partner today might reveal something more about the setup and help us sort the two of you.

And I think the ‘fakeclaiming informed’ idea is something that also needs to be dropped - pretty much everything points to it not being the case. Wicked’s theory about me possibly being Mafia night 1 informed is actually something that, objectively speaking, could be possible. I think the game makes a lot more sense with a Town N1 informed, but I guess it wouldn’t have been impossible for me to be Mafia N1 informed with emps as the town doc.

I disagree. If I knew nothing about the game was told this was:
A. FN + Doctor + Named townie vs. Informed mafia
OR
B. FN + Named townie + Informed townie vs. ???

Then I would say that "A" sounds much more reasonable and balanced. If we go with "B", then that means there are three confirmable players in the setup and no other types of town power roles present.

[emps]

If we lynch emps today and there’s still no ‘conftown’ player among the three final players then it plays into scum’s hands.

Alternatively, we could lynch emps' hypothetical partner and have him 'protect' me tonight. Hypothetically, catching his partner today might reveal something more about the setup and help us sort the two of you.

yeah but this like always leads to a you/me/luca lylo because luca killing me would make him confscum so he has to kill whichever of datisi/ico is town

[Datisi]

Then I would say that "A" sounds much more reasonable and balanced. If we go with "B", then that means there are three confirmable players in the setup and no other types of town power roles present.

If this is the setup, then there are 2 confirmable players. Luca isn't confirmable exactly, if he was we wouldn't be here.

[Wickedestjr]

Got to go. Be back soon.

[emps]

B is just like kind of weaker masons i guess?

i mean its like super low town power

[Datisi]

If we lynch emps today and there’s still no ‘conftown’ player among the three final players then it plays into scum’s hands.

Alternatively, we could lynch emps' hypothetical partner and have him 'protect' me tonight. Hypothetically, catching his partner today might reveal something more about the setup and help us sort the two of you.

This might be a good idea actually. If there's one scum in {Datisi, Icon} and one in {emps, Luca} then we need to sort both brackets anyway.

[Datisi]

Wicked, do you think amildia kill makes any sense from Icon/Luca? Because looking at those two teams (Icon-emps and Icon-Luca), Icon/emps strike me as more likely for it.

To expand on this.

In Icon/Luca world, I don't see why they wouldn't kill Wicked. If they had, they'd have LyLo where they were both generally Townread, alimdia would be going after emps, I would be going after alimdia, and the Wicked kill would implicate me, paired with general ~paranoia~. Plus they knew that Wicked would've most likely become unlynchable if he'd lived.

Icon/emps makes at least some sense in that regard, I think.

[Datisi]

emps, you gonna try to help us solve or keep fencesitting?

[emps]

If we lynch emps today and there’s still no ‘conftown’ player among the three final players then it plays into scum’s hands.

Alternatively, we could lynch emps' hypothetical partner and have him 'protect' me tonight. Hypothetically, catching his partner today might reveal something more about the setup and help us sort the two of you.

This might be a good idea actually. If there's one scum in {Datisi, Icon} and one in {emps, Luca} then we need to sort both brackets anyway.

this is mostly about whichever one wicked is more confident abt tbh because like in the end its p much completely up to wicked

[Datisi]

I think it actually is optimal to sort me/Icon today. A possible scum PR flip would help us sort between Town PR claims, while it wouldn't do crap for sorting the VT claims.

[Datisi]

Also tbh it’s not even been that easy, it was a fucking horrible first 20-something pages that shouldn’t have happened and I accept being at fault for,

but which on the other hand gave me pretty solid reads I think on you [Datisi], Luca, emps, and icon

If those reads are right and wimpy!slot isn’t actually scum then the upside is I think the PoE coming out of that shitfest is quite good

okay I was going over some earlier posts and i found this

Mena actually predicted this LyLo
though probably not in the way he expected

[Plum]

Votecount 3.1

Not Voting

- 5 (Luca Blight, Iconeum, Datisi, emps, Wickedestjr)

With 5 alive it takes 3 votes to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-28 12:00:00)

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked, do you think amildia kill makes any sense from Icon/Luca? Because looking at those two teams (Icon-emps and Icon-Luca), Icon/emps strike me as more likely for it.

I actually think it's possible that Icon/Luca would kill alimdia. As I said before, I think it's less likely that Icon/emps would kill alimdia because they were lower on the totem pole after day 2 ended.

Not necessarily my own reads, but I feel like this is how we ranked in popularity of being town read after day 2:
Datisi
Luca
alimdia
Icon
Me
emps


And I wasn't taking into account the fact that Icon knew I was a friendly neighbor last night. If he and emps are scum together then, in my opinion, they essentially killed off the easiest mis-lynch possible given that you/Luca were more town-read and I had the ability to confirm myself to someone. It's hard to see them doing that given how low on the totem pole they were after day 2 ended. They also don't strike me as the type of people to kill someone just for wifom purposes.

In Icon/Luca world, I don't see why they wouldn't kill Wicked. If they had, they'd have LyLo where they were both generally Townread, alimdia would be going after emps, I would be going after alimdia, and the Wicked kill would implicate me, paired with general ~paranoia~. Plus they knew that Wicked would've most likely become unlynchable if he'd lived.

Icon/emps makes at least some sense in that regard, I think.

Hmm, I don't know. Maybe Icon is town. Maybe he's scum and thought keeping me alive would make him look slightly better.

[Wickedestjr]

I was short on time earlier today so this bit came a little rushed:

I disagree. If I knew nothing about the game was told this was:
A. FN + Doctor + Named townie vs. Informed mafia
OR
B. FN + Named townie + Informed townie vs. ???

Then I would say that "A" sounds much more reasonable and balanced. If we go with "B", then that means there are three confirmable players in the setup and no other types of town power roles present.

When I said "no other types of town power roles present" I'm referencing the fact that in option A we have an informational power role and a protective power role whereas in option B we've got multiple informational power roles (2 or 3 depending on how you look at it) and nothing else. A looks like a normal set up whereas B is pretty bizarre.

Then I would say that "A" sounds much more reasonable and balanced. If we go with "B", then that means there are three confirmable players in the setup and no other types of town power roles present.

If this is the setup, then there are 2 confirmable players. Luca isn't confirmable exactly, if he was we wouldn't be here.

Luca would be semi-confirmable. Let's say alimdia is the night 1 kill and we try to lynch Alduskkel on day 2. Then Luca claims and it becomes pretty clear that he is town because there's no reason for him to stop the mis-lynch as scum.

[Wickedestjr]

Either way this game is making me feel dumb.

The tricky thing is that regardless of Icon and emps' alignments, this setup contains a backup tracker with no actual tracker. So there's a guarantee to some level of crazy here.

[Datisi]

And with nobody even attempting to claim Tracker.

Wicked, where's your mind at? Which bracket should we be sorting today?