Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Miss Lane]

At least if davesaz's votecount is correct, you would need nine. With Mena's you'd have 8.

[Menalque]

Ceph changed

[Miss Lane]

Oh yeah you'd need like two more.

Cephrir would put elements at 7, you'd need two more people to put down to get elements to 10.

[Menalque]

Unofficial VC

TrueSoulEnergy (7) - pisskop, Firebringer, KidAmn, Menalque, Cephrir, Pink Ball, BBmolla
Vorkuta (8) - Nero Cain, Bingle, Almost50, Elements, chennisden, Gamma Emerald, davesaz, EspressoPatronum
Elements (8) - Wooper, Titus, gobbledygook, Dr Easy Bake, zoraster, Rautherdir, Untrod Tripod, AaronFrost
Titus (6) - Iconeum, Dongempire, TrueSoulEnergy, Flavor Leaf, Amrun, Miss Lynch
Menalque - Creature
Flavor Leaf - Vorkuta

+ ceph = 9

+ me = 10

[Miss Lane]

I’m p sure that unofficial VC is wildly incorrect

Here's what I based it on.
6766

TrueSoulEnergy (9) - pisskop, Firebringer, KidAmn, Menalque, Amrun, Cephrir, Pink Ball, AaronFrost, EspressoPatronum
Vorkuta (8) - Nero Cain, Bingle, BBmolla, Almost50, Elements, Untrod Tripod, chennisden, Gamma Emerald
Elements (6) - Wooper, Titus, gobbledygook, Dr Easy Bake, zoraster, Rautherdir
Titus - Iconeum, Dongempire, Miss Lynch
Menalque - Creature, Flavor Leaf
Flavor Leaf - Vorkuta
Menalque - TrueSoulEnergy

6777 Untrod votes Elements
xx6781 Miss Lynch v. TSE
6794 davesaz v Vorkuta
6801 AaronFrost vs Elements (8,8,8)
6822 TSE v Titus
6842 BBMolla TSE
6848 Flavor v Titus
6849 Amrun v Titus
6852 Miss Lynch v Titus
6858 EspressoPatronum v Vorkuta

This doesn't make sense. Your vote count doesn't have Flavor, Amrun or TSE on Titus, yet you say all three of these players are voting her below.

[Miss Lane]

oh i get it now. ok.

We're still not killing elements today.

[davesaz]

That’s the starting Vc and changes. I didn’t repost the ending one which is above.
Pedit did you see the question?

[Menalque]

Menalque wanting a leash is very scummy.

Counterpoint: Dave not wanting to hard leash an execute ability is very scummy.

Do you think davesaz is scum? Why/why not?

Eh conceivably

Didn’t like him today. His entrance and pushing away from TSE felt v convenient regardless of what tse flips. I hate the argument that we shouldn’t be leashing the execution power, I think that’s an obviously terrible idea. Don’t love that I was forgetting he was in the game.

On the other hand, skimming ISO made it look like he was maybe trying to sort on D1? And also his reason for not wanting to leash could be in good faith and just very wrong.

Basically uncertain and needs thinking about/brainpower that I don’t have/am not willing to aim there today while we have actual viable wagons to consider.

Also @EP, @miss lynch you never followed up about the red haired elf thing

[Miss Lane]

Asking red haired elf to claim is like outing IC. The very small information advantage town has over scum should stay that way until a good opportunity presents itself.

[Menalque]

oh i get it now. ok.

We're still not killing elements today.

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[Miss Lane]

Also your argument about the elements wagon yielding resistance is hilarious. That wagon had less resistance than any wagon I think I've seen in several games, with the possible exception of TSE. It sprang up so quickly and gained ridiculous amounts of traction with almost no backing whatsoever. That was probably the fastest forming wagon of today.

[RCEnigma]

As far as I can tell, not voting: Pine, Korina, The Fonz, xofelf, RCEnigma, InsideJob711

Pedit: no problem, this many players is a real pain to keep track of. It's hard enough to get it right when I'm modding a mini and responsible for it.

I'm voting Vorkuta I think.

[Miss Lane]

oh i get it now. ok.

We're still not killing elements today.

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Let's make a bet. If we kill elements today, my vote is leashed to yours tomorrow, no resistance whatsoever, with the exception of voting myself.

If we don't kill elements today, your vote is leashed to mine and you have to stop getting in the way of progress.

[Menalque]

Also your argument about the elements wagon yielding resistance is hilarious. That wagon had less resistance than any wagon I think I've seen in several games, with the possible exception of TSE. It sprang up so quickly and gained ridiculous amounts of traction with almost no backing whatsoever. That was probably the fastest forming wagon of today.

Yes, it formed quickly. Then it slipped off and there has been a concerted effort by people including yourself and FL to ensure that it doesn’t happen today. Just because the formation was rapid, doesn’t change the fact that once it became viable the level of resistance sharply upshifted

[pisskop]

oh i get it now. ok.

We're still not killing elements today.

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VOTE: elements

[Miss Lane]

Also your argument about the elements wagon yielding resistance is hilarious. That wagon had less resistance than any wagon I think I've seen in several games, with the possible exception of TSE. It sprang up so quickly and gained ridiculous amounts of traction with almost no backing whatsoever. That was probably the fastest forming wagon of today.

Yes, it formed quickly. Then it slipped off and there has been a concerted effort by people including yourself and FL to ensure that it doesn’t happen today. Just because the formation was rapid, doesn’t change the fact that once it became viable the level of resistance sharply upshifted

It slipped off over time just like every other wagon this game.

EVERY
OTHER
WAGON

You're right, Flavor Leaf and myself are the only things providing resistance, and I wasn't even providing resistance earlier. Do you think we're scum? That's the only case in which that argument even makes sense.

[Miss Lane]

We can even lynch Flavor leaf today, since your argument against elements is apparently based on that associative.

[Miss Lane]

I hate this tendency to use big words to describe an effect because the symptoms are similar but nobody seems to actually understand what it means.

[EspressoPatronum]

Also @EP, @miss lynch you never followed up about the red haired elf thing

My response was the post talking about a 50/50 decision.

In writing out a response to Miss Lynch (below), I'd now like to add the possibility of cult initiating the attack on the red-haired elf (RHE). If this is the case, they'll probably recruit the RHE tonight.

My intuition is saying that RHE should remain quiet unless they're a leading wagon rn.

Asking red haired elf to claim is like outing IC. The very small information advantage town has over scum should stay that way until a good opportunity presents itself.

I don't think is is accurate.

As I mentioned earlier, there's a chance that scum already knows who the red-haired elf (RHE) is, which puts town at a greater information disparity than normal. Having the RHE reveal would solve that information disparity.

BUT there's a chance that cult or a 3p attacked the RHE, which means scum doesn't know who the RHE is yet. In this case, it's probably better for the RHE to stay silent.

[RCEnigma]

I might have unvoted. Small chance he's ninja or pulling a tracker away from a partner. Small chance he just can't control his target.

[chkflip]

Day 2 Vote Count 2.9

Vorkuta (10) -

Nero Cain, Bingle, Almost50, Elements, Untrod Tripod, chennisden, Gamma Emerald, davesaz, EspressoPatronum, pisskop[

Elements (8) -

Wooper, Titus, gobbledygook, Dr Easy Bake, zoraster, Rautherdir, AaronFrost, Cephrir

Titus (6) -

Iconeum, Dongempire, TrueSoulEnergy, Flavor Leaf, Amrun, Miss Lynch

TrueSoulEnergy -

Firebringer, KidAmn, Menalque, Pink Ball, BBmolla

Menalque -

Creature

Flavor Leaf -

Vorkuta

KidAmn is v/la until Nov 26

It is now day two. 37 alive, 19 lynch.
You have (expired on 2019-11-26 19:30:00) left in this phase.

[RCEnigma]

Also @EP, @miss lynch you never followed up about the red haired elf thing

My response was the post talking about a 50/50 decision.

In writing out a response to Miss Lynch (below), I'd now like to add the possibility of cult initiating the attack on the red-haired elf (RHE). If this is the case, they'll probably recruit the RHE tonight.

My intuition is saying that RHE should remain quiet unless they're a leading wagon rn.

Asking red haired elf to claim is like outing IC. The very small information advantage town has over scum should stay that way until a good opportunity presents itself.

I don't think is is accurate.

As I mentioned earlier, there's a chance that scum already knows who the red-haired elf (RHE) is, which puts town at a greater information disparity than normal. Having the RHE reveal would solve that information disparity.

BUT there's a chance that cult or a 3p attacked the RHE, which means scum doesn't know who the RHE is yet. In this case, it's probably better for the RHE to stay silent.

Problem with this is that the red head elf loses status if they wait on claiming. The likelihood of them being culted goes way up tonight and them outing later doesn't have any impact. It's just a flavor claim at that point but there's no way to treat them as a clear.

[Korina]

Prod received. I’m V/LA during the weekend though, so Monday I’ll try to keep up, but honesty, this game has made no sense so far.

[Miss Lane]

Korina vote titus

[Korina]

What’s the VC?