Newbie 1964 [Game Over]

[Karnage]

Karnage, you got to the point where you'd just rather have ANY lynch (even if it isn't your main scumlead) than one that would benefit us.

I would rather have ANY lynch (even if it’s me) than a no lynch

[Billy Pilgrim]

Ok, I'm caught up. We're under 24 hours today. I like Jamelia's catchup. While I think that in Gyro's play, there was more scummy to it than townie, I think you're being dishonest if the primary motivation wasnt policy. Now I've been burned on this before, but it was D1 rather than D2, but I dont think that replacement scum comes in when they're under pressure and goes after basically a consensus town read. If I'm wrong here and Jamelia is scum, then I'm going to flip my opinion on that completely in the future, but I think it shows a lack of survivalism, and I think scum would want to get to LYLO tomorrow even if they were basically guaranteed to be lynched after by targeting and pushing an easy counterwagon.

I also think that if Jamelia is town, then RC has to be town with the way he interacted with that slot on replacement. And that goes with my Micc read from earlier. So, earlier I had a PoE that was basically either BBM/Karnage or 2/3 bepwei/Jamelia(Gyro)/heavy.

I leaned to the bepwei part of that because I didnt seek Arkias being killed by Karnage. That's probably a stupid reason. That also possibly led Karnage to think he could pocket me when he interacted with me. The fact that he articulated thought almost identical to my own either means that hes town or that hes pocketing me. Although at the end of day 1 I was thinking that Gilded was looking townier. If we had more time I would have wanted to do something else, but the deadline was closing in there. So RC's post made it clear that I missed Karnage saying that he thought Gilded was caught scum. I think that's a crazy overstatement.

I think Karnage may be pocketing me which explains the way he interacted with my slot today. I wish that the other two newer players would have taken that opportunity earlier, but that may come from being new.

Alright, let's see if this works. If so, we dodge LYLO tomorrow and have some time to look for the partner.

VOTE: Karnage

[Karnage]

This is what scum discrediting a townie looks like; hard to explain it beyond that.

Look at these posts leading up to what you quoted. 308 312 316 I didn't discredit anybody.

You don't say someone is caught scum and you'll hammer in 7 hours. That's a tonal mismatch; if he thought it was caught scum he'd hammer. Common mistake by scum.

or.... in 321 guilded said they would post in depth notes and I wanted to give them time to do so

Not going to copy all of them but the way that Karnage lets himself be persuaded to mislynching Jamelia just feels super scummy. Hard to express.

very early in the game I thought Micc and molla were a mason pair (I even tried to tell you that in 558) so I townread them for that. I've gone back and forth as to whether that read was right so my town read on them changed as well. If they WERE masons, that leaves a scum pool of bepwei, anaconda, and gyro/jamelia. I'm starting to think that scum!Micc may have been pushing to lynch scum!gyro in an effort to cut dead weight and now you've come in and are trying to save the slot.

Who TF discredits me because of dead threads, like what?

wow, I must have really struck a nerve lol

The whole "extrapolating too far beyond the available data" feels very scummy, again hard to explain but like just doesn't feel like town response.

again this goes to my mason read on micc/molla and whether or not I was ignoring scummy play from their slots

Again the culmination of it to "the risk is well worth the possible reward at this point" is just a wtf answer.

how so? there's a chance gyro/jamelia is town (the risk) but its worth it for the decent chance they are scum and if not, the slot has been detrimental to town and would be a liability in lylo (the reward). The vast majority of lynches come down to a similar risk/reward analysis

on a side not, if all your points are "hard to explain", maybe its because they aren't very good points to begin with

[Karnage]

Ok my current scumteam guess is Karnage/

Jamelia

.

Interested in further thoughts.

I really don't think that this is the angle scum!Jamelia would have gone down subbing into this slot.

I was already not scumreading the slot

, but this makes me feel a lot better about it.

VOTE: Karnage

were you not actually scum reading jamelia in 587? or does 613 refer to something else?

[Karnage]

Anybody willing to trust that I am town and lynch jamelia today with me? It really look's like an RC/jam scum team for me. Look at this series of posts. RC scum reads gyro but once bepwei announces their intent to hammer RC is calling for an unvote?

i think it's probably 2/3 of Karnage/Gyro Zeppeli/Anacondra

you mean, why am i not locktowning gyro? because i'm not. idk bruh

what do you think the odds are that it's just anaconda zeppeli lurk squad

The gyro slot? When did I say that? I’m not SURE it’s town, I just think we can do better than a policy lynch today. I am not opposed to it,

I just prefer something with actual evidence

rather than just lynching shit play.

then make a case against the player you would rather lynch

However, I am not opposed to it. If we don’t get anyone else I will Hammer.

So let’s get a claim from gyro

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is this an intent to hammer?

I’m getting only town vibes from RC and that’s the slot I didn’t feel great about while Micc was in the game. It is intent to hammer. I don’t think I will do it right away and I don’t think gyro will respond soon either.

@gyro I intend to hammer please claim role

please can we not lynch gyro today can someone unvote

[Karnage]

once jam was no longer at L-1 RC moved back to a scumread until I vote and molla calls for a hammer. magically RC now says jam isn't scum and they were "already not scumreading that slot"

Ok my current scumteam guess is Karnage/Jamelia.

Interested in further thoughts.

He's flirting with me instead of catching up.

Not that I think Jamelia wouldn't be flirting with me if he were town but I think that he would be solving 35% more and flirting with me 10% less.

Can we get a claim and hammer pls

I really don't think that this is the angle scum!Jamelia would have gone down subbing into this slot.
I was already not scumreading the slot, but this makes me feel a lot better about it.

VOTE: Karnage

[Karnage]

if you guys really want to lynch me then...

Spoiler:

but I'd prefer we lynch either jamelia or RC

[bepwei]

how so? there's a chance gyro/jamelia is town (the risk) but its worth it for the decent chance they are scum and if not, the slot has been detrimental to town and would be a liability in lylo (the reward).

How is the slot a liability? The whole point of the Gyro wagon was because you could not trust GYRO in lylo. I think we can trust Jamelia lylo as someone who wont fuck something up. Are you saying the slot has a liability because there isnt very much to go off of from previous days? The gyro wagon was hardly a scum read and really was just a policy imo.

[bepwei]

Also Karnage and Jamelia are L-1 if im not mistaken

[Karnage]

how so? there's a chance gyro/jamelia is town (the risk) but its worth it for the decent chance they are scum and if not, the slot has been detrimental to town and would be a liability in lylo (the reward).

How is the slot a liability? The whole point of the Gyro wagon was because you could not trust GYRO in lylo. I think we can trust Jamelia lylo as someone who wont fuck something up. Are you saying the slot has a liability because there isnt very much to go off of from previous days? The gyro wagon was hardly a scum read and really was just a policy imo.

liability was in reference to gyro. the original comment was made in 523 before gyro replaced out

what do you think about RC and his fluctuating reads on gyro/jamelia?

p-edit: I think we are both at L-1 so anybody that isn't voting one or the other should start deciding which on they would hammer

[Karnage]

actually I think jamelia is at L-2 because billy switched his vote to me

[Jamelia]

I’m not on L-1 since Billy voted off of me. You’re the only one on L-1.

Karnage, can you answer my question I asked you in a previous post?

[Jamelia]

Karnage, you got to the point where you'd just rather have ANY lynch (even if it isn't your main scumlead) than one that would benefit us.

I would rather have ANY lynch (even if it’s me) than a no lynch

Totally missed this.

I don’t agree with this mentality because we weren’t 5 hours away from a lynch. We still had time to figure something out.

[Karnage]

I’m not on L-1 since Billy voted off of me. You’re the only one on L-1.

Karnage, can you answer my question I asked you in a previous post?

can you quote it so I don't have to go looking for it?

p-edit: ok. i stand by my statement

[Jamelia]

if you guys really want to lynch me then...

Spoiler:

but I'd prefer we lynch either jamelia or RC

Is this a claim?

[bepwei]

[/quote]

liability was in reference to gyro. the original comment was made in 523 before gyro replaced out

I was asking how a slot can a liability. I was refencing the post made in 652 where you specifically said Gyro/Jamelia not just gyro.

what do you think about RC and his fluctuating reads on gyro/jamelia?

I think its a little suspect, but the initial scum read was before Jamelia had caught up. I can see where a read can chenge after interacting solely with one slot for 2 pages.. However I do seem to remember RC saying he townread Gyro so, im not super sure.

p-edit: I think we are both at L-1 so anybody that isn't voting one or the other should start deciding which on they would hammer

Currently working on this part..

[Karnage]

Unofficial Vote Count

karnage (3) ~

radiantcowbells, jamelia, billy pilgrim,

jamelia (2) ~

bbmolla, karnage

not voting (2) ~

heavy anacona, bepwei

with 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

deadline:[/color]

(expired on 2019-11-25 04:18:13)
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[bepwei]

I suck at this whole quoting format.. *facepalm*

[Jamelia]

I’m not on L-1 since Billy voted off of me. You’re the only one on L-1.

Karnage, can you answer my question I asked you in a previous post?

can you quote it so I don't have to go looking for it?

p-edit: ok. i stand by my statement

I just don’t see how as town your goal would be to lynch ANYONE regardless of alignment just to say you lynched someone. That screams scummy to me. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Also, if you want people to trust in you, why would you still be voting for me? You’ve said that the Micc/RC slot is scummy yet you still want people to jump on my slot’s bandwagon. Is this because you believe my slot is scummy or you believe my slot is the easiest to be lynched?

[Karnage]

I just don’t see how as town your goal would be to lynch ANYONE regardless of alignment just to say you lynched someone. That screams scummy to me. Do you have any thoughts on that?

because in most cases any lynch is better than a no lynch otherwise why wouldn't we no lynch every day 1? and its not just ANYONE, its players that have a better than random chance of flipping scum

Also, if you want people to trust in you, why would you still be voting for me? You’ve said that the Micc/RC slot is scummy yet you still want people to jump on my slot’s bandwagon. Is this because you believe my slot is scummy or you believe my slot is the easiest to be lynched?

should be obvious that I'm not talking to you and RC about trusting me. I believe you and RC are the scum team.

[Jamelia]

I just don’t see how as town your goal would be to lynch ANYONE regardless of alignment just to say you lynched someone. That screams scummy to me. Do you have any thoughts on that?

because in most cases any lynch is better than a no lynch otherwise why wouldn't we no lynch every day 1? and its not just ANYONE, its players that have a better than random chance of flipping scum

Also, if you want people to trust in you, why would you still be voting for me? You’ve said that the Micc/RC slot is scummy yet you still want people to jump on my slot’s bandwagon. Is this because you believe my slot is scummy or you believe my slot is the easiest to be lynched?

should be obvious that I'm not talking to you and RC about trusting me. I believe you and RC are the scum team.

1. Right, but at that point there was still time to change the lynch off of a policy lynch. Do you think policy lynching Day 2 is more valuable than scum hunting in this regard?

2. I never said you needed to trust me. I’m scumreading you as well. I asked you why your vote was still on me. Is it because you genuinely scumread my slot more than Micc/RC’s slot? Or is it because you think it’d be easier for my slot to be lynched?

[Karnage]

I was asking how a slot can a liability. I was refencing the post made in 652 where you specifically said Gyro/Jamelia not just gyro.

652 should have only referred to gyro not gyro/jam. just a typing mistake probably arising from trying to keep track of the different slots and replacements. town!gyro would definetly be a liability though. If we are in lylo day 3 would you trust him to not throw down a random/uninformed vote followed by scum quickhammer?

what do you think about RC and his fluctuating reads on gyro/jamelia?

I think its a little suspect, but the initial scum read was before Jamelia had caught up. I can see where a read can chenge after interacting solely with one slot for 2 pages.. However I do seem to remember RC saying he townread Gyro so, im not super sure.[/quote]
when you go back and look, make note of how RC's scum read changes to a town read whenever the gyro/jam slot is in danger of being hammered then back to a town read when they are not.

[Karnage]

1. Right, but at that point there was still time to change the lynch off of a policy lynch. Do you think policy lynching Day 2 is more valuable than scum hunting in this regard?

its not just a policy lynch. There was, and still is, a better than random chance that the slot was scum. At the time, I felt that billy, micc, and molla were town. Which leaves 2 scum in 3 players. how many lynches (without a guilty results) have a 66% chance of hitting scum?

2. I never said you needed to trust me. I’m scumreading you as well. I asked you why your vote was still on me. Is it because you genuinely scumread my slot more than Micc/RC’s slot? Or is it because you think it’d be easier for my slot to be lynched?

both of you are scum. one read is not stronger than the other but you will probably be easier to get lynched.

[Jamelia]

1. Right, but at that point there was still time to change the lynch off of a policy lynch. Do you think policy lynching Day 2 is more valuable than scum hunting in this regard?

its not just a policy lynch. There was, and still is, a better than random chance that the slot was scum. At the time, I felt that billy, micc, and molla were town. Which leaves 2 scum in 3 players. how many lynches (without a guilty results) have a 66% chance of hitting scum?

2. I never said you needed to trust me. I’m scumreading you as well. I asked you why your vote was still on me. Is it because you genuinely scumread my slot more than Micc/RC’s slot? Or is it because you think it’d be easier for my slot to be lynched?

both of you are scum. one read is not stronger than the other but you will probably be easier to get lynched.

Going through your posts and reading your conclusions up to this point, I really fail at understanding what led you to believe the two scumslots are the two replacements in the game.

I think this is a clear issue in pressure on you. I am still relatively new to the website but I have never seen someone this convinced two people are scum after being wrong D1 and with the huge possibility of a mislynch for D3, because the basis of my slot being lynched is on a policy against someone who isn’t even in the game anymore.

My belief is that you’re cracking under the pressure and you’re trying to quicklynch this. You posted a gif as a “claim” but it wasn’t really a claim anyways. I believe if you were town then you would have voted off of me after seeing me post and figure out what lynch would be best for you - even while on L-2 (now L-1).

[Jamelia]

why wasn't bbmolla in this list

I think 418 and 433 explain it.

molla as scum or not goes hand in hand with micc as scum or not

its something I go back and forth with. so between those two posts I went back and forth i guess

What changed? If RC is scum then Molla is scum. This post is about 6 posts old now.