Newbie 1965 | River | Over

[Map Wolf]

Will elaborate on this later (including an entire case on why GL!MW are scum), so feel free to ask me anything before then.

If you think that, then you are wrong.

That said, there's a decent chance GL is scum (read my post above). Still, I have two questions to that:
1. Would you then commit to a lynch of GL?
2. What happens if he is lynched and flips town? Who would you then think is scum?

[Map Wolf]

Also, that makes me think: What if the scumpair is Pvt/GL. What if his goal is to first lynch GL, and then use a scum flip to push for me tomorrow?

[GayBabyJailor]

Also, that makes me think: What if the scumpair is Pvt/GL. What if his goal is to first lynch GL, and then use a scum flip to push for me tomorrow?

you seem to sr the new guy because they sred you?

[Map Wolf]

Also, that makes me think: What if the scumpair is Pvt/GL. What if his goal is to first lynch GL, and then use a scum flip to push for me tomorrow?

you seem to sr the new guy because they sred you?

That's correct.

[GayBabyJailor]

I wouldn't say that people scumreading you is sus mapwolf

[Map Wolf]

I wouldn't say that people scumreading you is sus mapwolf

No it's not, but I suspect that he suggests this pairing in order to distract from himself.

[GayBabyJailor]

so we're (mostly) down to this:

one of titus/guiltylion is scum
one of pvt/gbj/mapwolf is scum

thanks for coming to my tedtalk

[GayBabyJailor]

To be honest, I still don't like GBJ pushing Blatant. It feels a bit fake or convenient. Still, if Blatant is town, then their behavior is really not useful at all. I will VOTE: Blatant Scum as I don't like their posts myself tbh:

65 is a pretty stupid post. Their entire posting history consists of short comments with little substance.

To be clear, what I don't like is GBJ seemingly pushing him quite hard.

also this post says you're sus of me but then vote the person i was pushing?

[GayBabyJailor]

the only reason you would do that is if you thought it was SvS, but you didn't mention that in your post

[Titus]

Hey sorry for the delay. I've been struggling with divorce related depression. You guys deserve better.

[Map Wolf]

the only reason you would do that is if you thought it was SvS, but you didn't mention that in your post

What I said was that I thought you pushed BS particularly hard. The fact that you pushed BS was not a problem

[Titus]

You'd be better off admitting that you made a genuine mistake (as this was) as town.

That would be straight up lying though.

BS made the mistake. Period. You can disagree with me here but I do that everytime.

[Titus]

VOTE: TheGildedSun

if both scum are outside Titus/GL then it doesn't make sense that rise/map split the vote. would GBJ unvote here if he's scum? idk. he might if he's partners with titus but then again if he was why would he vote titus at l2 in the first place? by unvoting he's drawing attention to himself.

TGS slot seems the most likely to be scum given the gamestate.

I disagree with this.

If GL is town, scum split the vote, keep the focus there and encourage apathy and stagnation. They can also get a dual lynch.

[Titus]

I guess if I want to give Titus the benefit of the doubt 325 might indicate that she holds Blatant Scum responsible for his lynch, so maybe scrap that point. But I do think any townie who's genuinely interested in solving the game shouldn't be blaming dead townies for being mislynchable but should instead be turning their eyes towards who opportunistically took advantage of a mislynchable townie, and there's no evidence that Titus has done that still

I need more data and time to do that. If the counter to BS was town or scum, that would determine my next move but I'm not saying lynch for info. Second, this reeks of wanting me to go elsewhere while you repeatedly state you don't want to. You want me to find your partner and discredit me already knowing you're opportunistic.

[PvtUrist]

Will elaborate on this later (including an entire case on why GL!MW are scum), so feel free to ask me anything before then.

If you think that, then you are wrong.

That said, there's a decent chance GL is scum (read my post above). Still, I have two questions to that:
1. Would you then commit to a lynch of GL?
2. What happens if he is lynched and flips town? Who would you then think is scum?

VOTE: GuiltyLion

If you believe GL to likely be scum, then vote him with me. Unless someone convinces me of a lynch outside of GL/MW, I will be lynching within them today.

I'm confident that GL flips scum. On the off chance he does otherwise, I will (if I am alive D3) re-evaluate my reads outside of the townblock.

I have a few questions that I'd ask of you:
1. What is your current readlist? An updated version of #42 would be great.
2. Why are you inclined to lynch, may compromise lynch, and is definitely not lynching today? And why?
3. Finally, what inclines the TGS slot to be more likely to be scum aligned rather than town aligned? Beyond it being a lurk/replacement and convenient compromise lynch slot, ofcourse.

[PvtUrist]

@all

It'd be great if everyone here can produce a readlist or a list of preferred/compromise/definitely not lynches. While I personally believe scum to be GL!MW and is inclined to only lynch within those slots, it would be beneficial to have not only everybody's reads, but also thought process and different interpretations.

[PvtUrist]

Will be posting my case on GL after more people have expressed their thoughts. For now, I'll summarise why Titus is town aligned, and why the D2 push on her was scum aligned.

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Titus D1 interaction was null

to me; no strong indications of alignment (outside of the hammer, which I will discuss my thoughts upon).

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Titus D2 interaction is also null

; I see nothing that is both outside of her towngame and scumgame. My ability to meta read players is next to non existant, but her tone, atleast to me, does not incline in either alignment.

- Now, for the D1 hammer, the only other interaction she had in this game. I see her motives (including the hammer) as much more possible town than scum aligned (if someone disagrees, do feel free to express why, outside of mechanical or mod post reasons). As I've said, I would have done the same in her position; BS was anti town throughout D1, and a soft-claim from him would be much more likely from a final scum attempt at trading a town PR than otherwise. Titus' hammer was town motivated, but the result favored scum, not for the fault or alignment of Titus, but for BS's antitown/lynchbait playstyle.

The follow up against Titus on D2 (mainly lead by GL) was anything but scum aligned, with GL appealing to mechanism (of which he expressed negatively the day prior), false info (yes, there are circumstances where hammering as Titus did is town aligned and results in town favored outcomes), and authority, not remotely anything based on accurate evidence or town aligned agenda (lynching scum).

tl;dr Titus is town, even if the results of her actions were beneficial to scum. The outcome is the fault of BS's playstyle, not Titus' actions.

[PvtUrist]

btw, GL's current play reminds me of one of ARB's old scumplay articles (couldn't find it ) where you tunnel town for the majority of a day, deny town actual discussion, and then settle for a compromise town lynch at deadline.

[GuiltyLion]

What I then find interesting is that GL is assuming this is TvS. Why?

This is a really bad post. I've given a million reasons why Titus hammer was a pro-scum play. I'm not "assuming this is TvS" - that makes no sense from a town mindset since I know I'm town - I'm just scumreading Titus for her play.

I don't believe you'd honestly ask this question if you had been engaging with my thought process throughout

[GuiltyLion]

No compromise lynch (my slot) is going through today.

You don't get to decide this lol

[Titus]

btw, GL's current play reminds me of one of ARB's old scumplay articles (couldn't find it ) where you tunnel town for the majority of a day, deny town actual discussion, and then settle for a compromise town lynch at deadline.

I recall what you're talking about, although quoting ABR for it is :/ That guy had zero scum skills or respect for his teammates

[Titus]

No compromise lynch (my slot) is going through today.

You don't get to decide this lol

Well I'm not lynching him

[GuiltyLion]

I would have done exactly the same at the end of D1 as Titus, had I been in her situation. Throughout D1, I was convinced the scumteam was GL!BS, and would have hammered BS perhaps even if he made a hard claim. Again, not completely obvtown, but town by mind-meld and POE.

This strikes me as disingenuous and here's why : who replaces into a game and reads the first day

without

knowing who flipped? I've never read a game like that when I'm a replacement - you gain so much more information reading things through when you know the alignment of as many players involved as possible already.

Also doubling down on the idea that it would be good to hammer a hard claim (or that this wasn't a hard claim) is frankly just absurd. You never hammer a hard claim d1 without a CC, this is not a debate it is a solved issue.

[GuiltyLion]

No compromise lynch (my slot) is going through today.

You don't get to decide this lol

Well I'm not lynching him

Titus if you're not scum your play is terrible this game. Like straight up scum MVP level play.

[Titus]

No compromise lynch (my slot) is going through today.

You don't get to decide this lol

Well I'm not lynching him

Titus if you're not scum your play is terrible this game. Like straight up scum MVP level play.

I view this as more about teaching newbies how to play than winning.

If you're town, you're doing a very shortsighted position here looking solely at the results to think about play and not scumhunting. You think I'm scum? Scumhunt me. Force me to comment by not obsessing about the hammer.

Right now, you look like a whiny scum throwing a tantrum.