Mini 2106 - Magia Record Fate Weave Semi-U-Pick (OVER!)

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history.

If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

While we’re at it you can explain what scum motivation you thought was in 254

254 came across as a double discredit to me. You discredit his belief that sheeping is scummy by telling him to explain and then strawmanning his argument by saying the votes that would follow would also be sheep and need to be voted by that logic, which is not true imo. You also discredit any wagon led by him on you by creating the implication that the wagon would be dishonest via an assumed hypocrisy.

You are correct that it was a discredit, and that’s because we disagree on whether sheeping is scummy. This isn’t the first game I’ve been accused of being scum just because I followed consensus. It’s not an accurate tell, and I’m not even much of a sheep; I just agree with what I agree with, and agreeing with people doesn’t make someone scum.

Eh this kinda makes sense but the fact there’s so much I find wrong in that small post is not a good sign

I can be pretty sassy towards bad takes. The only things wrong are the ideas I’m scum for agreeing with people and that I’m scum for calling the previous idea a bad take.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't argue with your opinion.

And, yes, I have stated where I agree with others. This is true. Consistently is not an adverb that is accurate, however.

I think it’s fair to say you have been agreeing with others a lot. Yes, you’ve raised points yourself but it seems like you’re more than happy to sit behind someone and cheerlead them. I think the Boonism for that action is warlocking? It comes across as scummy because you’re trying to promote the idea without taking as much responsibility. I know scum do this because I did it myself subconsciously once when I was starting out.

I’ll say it again - agreeing with consensus doesn’t make someone scum.

Yes, but the way he’s doing it is extremely shady. He’s like “ah yes, this makes sense”. I have noted in my history here two ways scum will agree with people that are solid tells imo. The first is where scum will support a townie’s idea by bolstering the Townie’s argument while adding little of their own content to it. This is what I mentioned I was caught for in the past earlier, and it serves scum because it helps keep them blameless. I have noticed Suji doing this in spades. The second method is when scum entrench themselves into one argument, then a Townie makes a better one and they hop on at full speed to the Townie’s idea. I caught scum doing this in a game that I can’t recall the name of but that I know had Aliens in the name, and the reason why it’s scummy is it’s a demonstration that they aren’t interested in honest discussion, they just want the argument that best suits them. I don’t recall Suji doing this but I feel like someone else may have done it this game if not him, so it’s something to keep in mind.

[Kerset]

Spoiler:

USE SPOILER FOR SUCH LONG QUOTE

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history.

If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

The comment on the RVS vote was me disagreeing with your point on multiple level. I don’t think game choice is connected to play style, and defensiveness is not always scummy.
Is that all, it feels like you have more you want to talk about.

Why did you feel a need to disagree with it? Did you think any part of my post was serious?

It could have been serious but my post wasn’t 100% serious either
Like if I was really going to go after that do you think I just say “reeeeeach”?

I didn’t know how to take your post, and when that’s the only post about me and suddenly you’re saying I was Towny, it’s a little confusing.

This makes sense, I figured me not mentioning you for that span was a part of your read

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry

[Severa]

You better fucking apologize

[Alchemist21]

I can't argue with your opinion.

And, yes, I have stated where I agree with others. This is true. Consistently is not an adverb that is accurate, however.

I think it’s fair to say you have been agreeing with others a lot. Yes, you’ve raised points yourself but it seems like you’re more than happy to sit behind someone and cheerlead them. I think the Boonism for that action is warlocking? It comes across as scummy because you’re trying to promote the idea without taking as much responsibility. I know scum do this because I did it myself subconsciously once when I was starting out.

I’ll say it again - agreeing with consensus doesn’t make someone scum.

Yes, but the way he’s doing it is extremely shady. He’s like “ah yes, this makes sense”. I have noted in my history here two ways scum will agree with people that are solid tells imo. The first is where scum will support a townie’s idea by bolstering the Townie’s argument while adding little of their own content to it. This is what I mentioned I was caught for in the past earlier, and it serves scum because it helps keep them blameless. I have noticed Suji doing this in spades. The second method is when scum entrench themselves into one argument, then a Townie makes a better one and they hop on at full speed to the Townie’s idea. I caught scum doing this in a game that I can’t recall the name of but that I know had Aliens in the name, and the reason why it’s scummy is it’s a demonstration that they aren’t interested in honest discussion, they just want the argument that best suits them. I don’t recall Suji doing this but I feel like someone else may have done it this game if not him, so it’s something to keep in mind.

Adding a bit of your own perspective to something you agree with isn’t scummy at all. Idk where you get that from.

The second example I will agree is actually scummy, not because it’s sheeping but because the sudden switch when you were so entrenched in the previous argument shows a lack of conviction and sincerity in your own argument.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma's list and reasoning make sense, but i do have a question

Why would i try to appraise you and salamence in the day thread? It's not like you're going to answer that. Also, if anything, i have been consistent in 1. (slightly) townlean blast disc pickers; 2. declaring what i believed and what i didn't believe from all slots making a claim.

I can see your point about me and suji distancing, that may validate your vote on me. Could you expand on TL though? You mentioned weird interactions between me and him. Do you see that as distancing too, or is there anything else?

My best guess to why you’d appraise us here (versus the scum PT, which I assume you are implying) is you just threw those up in instant reaction to the posts. If you would like to point out your other reactions to claims that would be nice, that way I could see if the pattern continues

As for TL interactions, yeah those kinda look like distancing too but my thinking about the connection between you and TL is “they may or may not be scum together, I see nothing in favor of either possibility”. While with Suji there’s the stuff I mentioned.

[Severa]

VOTE: Venus and Mars

play this game

[Evenstar]

So far I’m only sure on Townreading Severa and Salamence. Severa’s main is someone I’ve played with a lot and I’m fairly confident this is their Town play. Regardless of whether Salamance’s claim is real or not, I don’t think scum would cave so easily to a fake guilty on them so I townread them for the response.

You’re the first one to reach out to me so you’re a bit Towny too.

Gamma’s the closes thing to a scumread I have right now but it’s not definite.

What do you think is your most non-consensus read atm?

Probably Gamma. I know other people are looking at them, but not for the same reasons I am.

This feels like a copout, at least when you say it without reasons like this.

[Gamma Emerald]

Evenstar it confuses me that you can act like this:

How the hell do you “need more information” on your top scumread? That plus voting someone above the null line is super suspect.

null line is exactly halfway through the players

draw your own conclusions

How the hell do you “need more information” on your top scumread? That plus voting someone above the null line is super suspect.

null line is exactly halfway through the players

draw your own conclusions

Are you saying your list was bs

that's certainly a conclusion you can draw

And also grill people for their own read lists like this:

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

Can I get a readslist, even if it sucks?

?

It looks like a double standard

[Alchemist21]

So far I’m only sure on Townreading Severa and Salamence. Severa’s main is someone I’ve played with a lot and I’m fairly confident this is their Town play. Regardless of whether Salamance’s claim is real or not, I don’t think scum would cave so easily to a fake guilty on them so I townread them for the response.

You’re the first one to reach out to me so you’re a bit Towny too.

Gamma’s the closes thing to a scumread I have right now but it’s not definite.

What do you think is your most non-consensus read atm?

Probably Gamma. I know other people are looking at them, but not for the same reasons I am.

This feels like a copout, at least when you say it without reasons like this.

Without what reasons? I think my feelings on Gamma are pretty clear in my other posts?

[Evenstar]

Evenstar it confuses me that you can act like this:

How the hell do you “need more information” on your top scumread? That plus voting someone above the null line is super suspect.

null line is exactly halfway through the players

draw your own conclusions

How the hell do you “need more information” on your top scumread? That plus voting someone above the null line is super suspect.

null line is exactly halfway through the players

draw your own conclusions

Are you saying your list was bs

that's certainly a conclusion you can draw

And also grill people for their own read lists like this:

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

Can I get a readslist,

even if it sucks?

?

It looks like a double standard

I'm not looking for the Mona Lisa here.

[Evenstar]

So far I’m only sure on Townreading Severa and Salamence. Severa’s main is someone I’ve played with a lot and I’m fairly confident this is their Town play. Regardless of whether Salamance’s claim is real or not, I don’t think scum would cave so easily to a fake guilty on them so I townread them for the response.

You’re the first one to reach out to me so you’re a bit Towny too.

Gamma’s the closes thing to a scumread I have right now but it’s not definite.

What do you think is your most non-consensus read atm?

Probably Gamma. I know other people are looking at them, but not for the same reasons I am.

This feels like a copout, at least when you say it without reasons like this.

Without what reasons? I think my feelings on Gamma are pretty clear in my other posts?

Your example non-consensus read is based on meta you have and other people don't, and is therefore difficult for any other player to evaluate unless you give something more of a basis for it. I would also have expected you to elaborate a bit on it rather than just saying "it's X."

To be clear, I don't think you're scum for this, I just think you're being lazy. Step it up a bit.

[Sujimichi]

Yes, but the way he’s doing it is extremely shady. He’s like “ah yes, this makes sense”.

How, in your opinion, does one convey agreement in a non-shady manner?

I have noted in my history here two ways scum will agree with people that are solid tells imo. The first is where scum will support a townie’s idea by bolstering the Townie’s argument while adding little of their own content to it.

So, in your view, if I am town and I agree with someone's point of view with reasoning or rationale that may strengthen said view, I should keep it to myself?

Your second argument, by your own admission, does not apply to me.

[popsofctown]

I'll start with a first step to break the ice: i'm a magical girl and i have powers. I used a charge disc so i have 3 votes. Going to use them only when i feel it's appropriate.

Farkran refused to claim mason at L-1 + intent in his first game because he believed it's optimal play to vehemently protect town's information, so freely sharing this information is concerning. Farkran did you think it's impossible this information wasn't already public, or did you just not give a care? The predecessor to this game included a player with an extra vote, and later this thread we discover you can't figure out what disc it is someone used just by seeing their votes: salamence charged but has a Blast disc number of votes.

I don't understand how it's pro-town to pick Blast Disc on Day 1. Either you two didn't read or you're throwing.

Or you're scum.

I read these as though they were all in one post on the first read through, but this looks like it's possibly an actual "the edit function is disabled" scumslip. Why did no one comment on this or care? "Because he quickly corrected himself" is not a great reason. RC quickly corrected himself when he mentioned reading the scum PT in Any Non Dead Player.

Even in a less "gotcha" sense the thought process here doesn't seem townie. Why does he care more about whether Gamma and Salamence are throwing and blameworthy than if they're scum? I have a bad habit of trashing other players instead of sorting players when I don't have sorting to think about as scum.

If your abilities are mediocre, why not use a blast disc? I don't get it.

If you have a 900 MP ability that says "visit a player and become a miller for the rest of the game", you probably still want to take Charge or Accel to avoid an implicit VT claim that improves the quality of the factional nightkill. The extra vote is useless, it's more important to convince players than to have the power to force lynches through mechanically.

I haven't played the new Pokemon, but on the other hand I finally got the new Fire Emblem. Is that good enough?

I'm playing through it too. I hate the stupid tea party minigame where you have to guess what someone wants to hear you say. A.K.A develop the characters and do the creator's job for them in some kind of backwards mikigame.

VOTE: sujimichi

Fossing me on my lamistiness has been proven to be scum indicative.

How heavy of a meta-reliant player are you?

This seems a bit substandard from Farkran. He's seen both townies and mafia push him for lamisty posting. Sujimichi's posting was pretty reasonable about his thought process. I think it's scum indicative to treat a weak scumtell like a stopping point because you've "done your job" when you can keep interacting to find where you are within that space, if that make sense.

Little early to be asserting that people are chainsaw defending TL.

Little late to assume we're still in RVS...

pedit: Severa is a scumlean, don't have much to indicate Severa!scum besides the defense. If by a miracle Farkran flips town Severa falls up to null.

Bitmap has a lot of scum equity but I still prefer flipping Farkran because a green Farkran absolves Severa and Farkran has done nothing towny this game unlike Bitmap

This is one of the super scummy posts from TL. It's not only bad as town to go into flips and associatives this much on page <small integer>, it's also unlikely. The read confidence is disproportionate, and contemplating Severa going to "null" seems like he's calculating stances he's required to take later than preparing a flexible read to take in new information.

Alchemist exists

I’m not leaning either way on him

Chemist is weirdly townie in this thread, this is one of those posts, I'm not going to do all of them.
He gains like nothing from posting this, but scum!Chemist risks looking bad if he missed something particularly objectively alignment indicative about alchemist's posting. But he just posted this anyway.

I believe the opposing view would be not believing the statement.

Can we keep him?

RC I can make u dictator level if you get me that neighborhood with you. I think you're town.

Why do you townread RC? He's only posted things I think he could post as both alignments, for the most part.
Er, I mean Severa, and she. Open alting is whatever

Im aware that rolecop is a scum role.

Im sure someone of your stature knows it can be townish

Wow Salamence called you fat and you just sat and took it I thought you were open alting as a tsundere though?
On the serious side I'm pretty disappointed this game has so much info leakage so quickly.

Im Back.

R I mean Severa really can press my buttons, and for that Im sorry.

I flinched when Severa was yelling her way to get a wagon and I saw people voting me. I felt the need to defend myself because I was worried I was going to get mislynched over some stupid gambit so Severa could get what she wants because she has done it before.

I was at L-8 at the time which equates to about L-3 in normal terms. I told her why this was dumb, I told her the claim was bullshit, and I warned her Im outting if she didnt retract. She didnt, so fuck it, I outted. Im wasnt taking any chances.

Severa has now indirectly and directly gotten 2 people to out prs now. Idk how I feel about it.

——————-

A lot of you are trying to put players like RC in a very standard mold when he's done this shit over and over as town.

Look, Ive been gone for awhile.

Right before I left, she was a newcomer. People fucking hated her because she was playing really anti-town. I assume shes better now, I dont know the history and I dont care. Shes obviously a strongarm player who plays super aggressively. For that reason I claimed cause I know if I didnt she wasnt going to shut the fuck up about it for another 10 fucking pages. You know this.

———————

People not named RC need to tell me why TL is town, because its not good. Ill case him tomorrow.

Looks like everyone besides Shiro Drew is here and caught up. Pops 297 outside of the vote warrants a read. I think its good. Evenstar too, but I like when people call me an idiot because I like the pain and abuse.

297 is a special number in PAD so that makes me happy.

It kind of sounds like Salamence is saying he's playing emotively instead of optimally, and more to the point emotively in a way that might throw some equity just to punish people like Severa.
Please don't do that dragon. It's harder to read. Scum trying to win and townies trying to win are going after different things, but in many respects they throw the same way. The premature claiming itself should count null, although it doesn't sound like a scum role.

pops i want some good reads

Ok I hit this post again so I think I'm caught up.
I'm gonna multipost for the rest of what's left.
Evenstar seems townie up to page 12 but I couldn't figure out how to articulate it

[Gamma Emerald]

You seem to have my actions rather straight but how do you get that I was stealing town leadership from that? I wasn’t trying to put myself in Severa’s spot at all. Plus I don’t think the idea of being town leader ever explicitly came up, that’s you idea.

Almost done with the lead rist btw

The thought just felt natural when i noticed your postcount skyrocket today, after making a minor prodge yesterday. It looked like you were specifically pinged by Severa's presence and didn't want him to lead the town.

Then you say you also managed to produce strong scumreads (which i don't really agree with), and i found that weird.

I don't know if this is standard for you, so i asked for meta.

This can be postponed to after you post the readlist though

I kinda don’t get what’s odd about producing strong scumreads being paired with making a strong effort to catch up. I think those make sense as a pair, since when you are efforting like that you’re likely to form some strong reads.

Also, to try and cut down on space taken up, I find it interesting that the reads I don’t exactly agree with in Severa’s town list, Alch and Suji, both appeared suspect to me for things involving agreeing with people. Possibly means Severa has a point with how my interactions with Alch have been turning my thoughts on him around a little, but Suji is suspect for other things. I’ll state I probably won’t be inclined to vote Suji today because if that though.

Honestly I haven’t felt this content with my bearings on a game in a long time. I think I might be finding my groove here.

[Alchemist21]

Your example non-consensus read is based on meta you have and other people don't, and is therefore difficult for any other player to evaluate unless you give something more of a basis for it. I would also have expected you to elaborate a bit on it rather than just saying "it's X."

I already elaborated when asked and my interaction with Gamma included me trying to make sense of what I was scumreading them for. Those explanations you want

are

already there.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmmmm.

TOWN

Kerset
Farkran
Salamence
Gamma
Alchemist
Chemist
- DEAD NULL -
Severa
Venus & Mars
Pops
Sujimichi
Bitmap
TL

SCUM

p. meh readslist but w/e it's d1

Is this sincere? I mean, i think you're more towny than not given that you're fitting perfectly into my knowledge of your town meta, but... aren't you reaction testing too much now? Do you have any true scumread that you'd like to lynch today?

this is literally where I'm at, Fark. Would lynch TL if I had to, but tbqh need more information. Too much is too superficial.

Don’t know if I’ll have a reason to go back to this so like
Why the hell is TL on the bottom but you will only lynch him “if you had to”? This honestly strikes me as scummy enough to shift you to a full scumread

[Evenstar]

aight pops can be town

[Evenstar]

Don’t know if I’ll have a reason to go back to this so like
Why the hell is TL on the bottom but you will only lynch him “if you had to”? This honestly strikes me as scummy enough to shift you to a full scumread

Would lynch TL if I had to [lynch someone this instant], but...

[Gamma Emerald]

So far I’m only sure on Townreading Severa and Salamence. Severa’s main is someone I’ve played with a lot and I’m fairly confident this is their Town play. Regardless of whether Salamance’s claim is real or not, I don’t think scum would cave so easily to a fake guilty on them so I townread them for the response.

You’re the first one to reach out to me so you’re a bit Towny too.

Gamma’s the closes thing to a scumread I have right now but it’s not definite.

What do you think is your most non-consensus read atm?

Probably Gamma. I know other people are looking at them, but not for the same reasons I am.

Why does different reasons = non consensus for you? I don’t think there’s anything AI about this but you seem rather particular about this so I want to figure out your logic here.

[Evenstar]

Your example non-consensus read is based on meta you have and other people don't, and is therefore difficult for any other player to evaluate unless you give something more of a basis for it. I would also have expected you to elaborate a bit on it rather than just saying "it's X."

I already elaborated when asked and my interaction with Gamma included me trying to make sense of what I was scumreading them for. Those explanations you want

are

already there.

Not sure you're really doing anything of value there, to be frank. I'd rec pivoting to examine someone else and coming back to Gamma later today.

[Gamma Emerald]

Don’t know if I’ll have a reason to go back to this so like
Why the hell is TL on the bottom but you will only lynch him “if you had to”? This honestly strikes me as scummy enough to shift you to a full scumread

Would lynch TL if I had to [lynch someone this instant], but...

That feels like the phrasing of a compromise lynch though

[TemporalLich]

if you're not committed you're trying to stall out D1, therefore Evenstar is scum

VOTE: Evenstar, even if hammer