Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Creature]

Meh

VOTE: Titus

[Menalque]

@miss lynch

I have a slight tendency towards omgus if I think the push is bad faith and unsurprisingly I often think the push is in bad faith when I’m town unless I’ve done something egregiously scummy. This game I don’t think I have, so yes, I’m slightly iffy on slots pushing me. Especially now when I’m at worst the person targeted by SK and quite probably the intended scum kill if orcus is the scumkill flavour.

You’re also soinning this weirdly. FL started to push me as scum after I pushed him — the only omgus there is him onto me. Ditto with amrun, I think. You I’ve been mixed on. I mostly TRd you and still sort of do but I’m confused by where you’re coming from and that’s making me reconsider. I don’t get why you chose to fight me so hard on ele if you didn’t have a preference, and I don’t get why you’re coming after me now.

I also find it weird that you’re saying I have no preference about who gets lynched when I very clearly fought for elements/FL/tse and agaisnt titus/vork. Now that it looks like FL won’t be lynched, we have a verifiable claim from ele, and there is some sort of consensus on vigging TSE rather than burning a lynch there I’m less inclined to fight back on vork/titus but even then I’m still expressing my preference between the two on titus and once chenn came up (who I’ve already mentioned scumreading) I took the chance to vote him to get a wagon going even if I haven’t been pushing him as hard.

It’s also vaguely ironic given that I think I’ve expressed preferences within the same range of slots as you, yet you’re gonna finish your post saying that I don’t care who gets lynched while saying you’d go within 6 slots.

Re: elements — okay, so if he is a 3p, why is town vig a complex claim for him? In which case, yes, we should be leashing it. I’ll grant you that he’s maybe less likely to be groupscum, that’s a fair point.

I was the very first person in the thread to espouse suspicion of you in pregame, let alone day 1, well before you even noticed me. My “not town” read on you has always been peripheral, and even now, not interesting in lynching you though I agree your play is manipulative.

Accusing me of OMGUS is absolutely ridiculous. Are you even still SR me? I was under the impression you were not.

P-edit: yes, which sounds very singular, and not groupscum at all, just like the flavor write up from pregame.

I will check that. I thought I’d SR you first.

I’ve been going back and forth on you. Like the reasons that I originally SR you didn’t disappear but you seemed like you were being proactive so I softened on it a lot.

Also, I thought you literally just said that you were okay with lynching me today?

I also dislike your interactions with Dave where you seem to be both just mutually reinforcing the other and have been all game.

I’ll think about what you’re saying re: orcus. But I think Orcus is not actual cult flavour and it seems weirdly OP for 3p/sk who I can’t see as being that likely to kill me anyway unless it’s literally pb is sk.

[pisskop]

i dont get the ut SRs

[Amrun]

Where was this extensive discussion because I missed it apparently? Also doesn’t change the fact that even if it’s not consensus that orcus is groupscum flavour (I still think it’s p likely) dave

does

and yet is still shading the person who he thinks groupscum tried to kill

Idk, earlier in the day. “Extensive” may be a stretch, but it was discussed. I was interested in this for ~reasons~

It’s a fair point on Dave, though.

[Menalque]

I also felt like you were TRing me so suddenly coming out with “I’d lynch mena” felt very out of the blue

[The Fonz]

Can someone tell me the case on Titus?

[RCEnigma]

Uhh Mena what's your FL read now?

[Menalque]

Uhh Mena what's your FL read now?

Less scum than before if elements is town

[Menalque]

Like I’m not sold on him being town but I’m no longer hard!scum if ele is town

[Amrun]

@miss lynch

I have a slight tendency towards omgus if I think the push is bad faith and unsurprisingly I often think the push is in bad faith when I’m town unless I’ve done something egregiously scummy. This game I don’t think I have, so yes, I’m slightly iffy on slots pushing me. Especially now when I’m at worst the person targeted by SK and quite probably the intended scum kill if orcus is the scumkill flavour.

You’re also soinning this weirdly. FL started to push me as scum after I pushed him — the only omgus there is him onto me. Ditto with amrun, I think. You I’ve been mixed on. I mostly TRd you and still sort of do but I’m confused by where you’re coming from and that’s making me reconsider. I don’t get why you chose to fight me so hard on ele if you didn’t have a preference, and I don’t get why you’re coming after me now.

I also find it weird that you’re saying I have no preference about who gets lynched when I very clearly fought for elements/FL/tse and agaisnt titus/vork. Now that it looks like FL won’t be lynched, we have a verifiable claim from ele, and there is some sort of consensus on vigging TSE rather than burning a lynch there I’m less inclined to fight back on vork/titus but even then I’m still expressing my preference between the two on titus and once chenn came up (who I’ve already mentioned scumreading) I took the chance to vote him to get a wagon going even if I haven’t been pushing him as hard.

It’s also vaguely ironic given that I think I’ve expressed preferences within the same range of slots as you, yet you’re gonna finish your post saying that I don’t care who gets lynched while saying you’d go within 6 slots.

Re: elements — okay, so if he is a 3p, why is town vig a complex claim for him? In which case, yes, we should be leashing it. I’ll grant you that he’s maybe less likely to be groupscum, that’s a fair point.

I was the very first person in the thread to espouse suspicion of you in pregame, let alone day 1, well before you even noticed me. My “not town” read on you has always been peripheral, and even now, not interesting in lynching you though I agree your play is manipulative.

Accusing me of OMGUS is absolutely ridiculous. Are you even still SR me? I was under the impression you were not.

P-edit: yes, which sounds very singular, and not groupscum at all, just like the flavor write up from pregame.

I will check that. I thought I’d SR you first.

I’ve been going back and forth on you. Like the reasons that I originally SR you didn’t disappear but you seemed like you were being proactive so I softened on it a lot.

Also, I thought you literally just said that you were okay with lynching me today?

I also dislike your interactions with Dave where you seem to be both just mutually reinforcing the other and have been all game.

I’ll think about what you’re saying re: orcus. But I think Orcus is not actual cult flavour and it seems weirdly OP for 3p/sk who I can’t see as being that likely to kill me anyway unless it’s literally pb is sk.

Flavor is important in this game, and the pregame flavor makes me pretty strongly think it is not groupscum. Some rando summons a crazy powerful being, and is then ignored and shitting their pants, clearly NOT working in conjunction.

I took quite a bit of heat in pregame for my 3p read on you, if you recall.

I said I might be ok with lynching you prior to RHE claim, iirc. Either way, with the claim, I am not interested in that today.

I’ve kinda been mindmelding with Dave all game, so I can’t really argue with that. I do see your point vis a vis his belief in Orcus being groupscum and then SR you being disingenuous, though. I will take that into consideration.

P-edit: I was TR you prior to me saying that. Your behavior at the time I said that made me think you were agenda driven so I reconsidered.

[RCEnigma]

Just getting your stance so on an elements!town flip it doesn't go from FL was defending his partner to FL was whiteknighting to pocket elements.

[RCEnigma]

Dave makes a decent lynch at some point.

[pisskop]

I could wagon Dave......

[Amrun]

Can someone tell me the case on Titus?

Faked-sounding content, then when pushed, she panicked and replaced out as her alt and in as herself saying “scum figured her out” with no actual suspicion of who might have done that or who the scum may be. She has made no meaningful effort to sort and only swung for low hanging fruit, which is not consistent with her as a player that I am familiar with.

Plus, my list.

However, my only hesitation here is that she is going through some stuff IRL so I worry it’s not game related, but I can’t bank on that.

[Menalque]

I don’t think FL pockets elements over pocketing you or me

[pisskop]

I don’t think FL pockets elements over pocketing you or me

He would if he were informed.


I mean, I def see why you'd say this, but a vig is def worth directing as scum

[Menalque]

Okay, so flavour wise:

I think it makes sense that groupscum flavour (with groupscum being the big bad so to speak) would be the first to get introduced. Following on from that, orcus is literally "the most monstrous evil in the game" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orcus_( ... 6_Dragons)) which seems to me to be more powerful than what would make sense as 3p

Finally there’s a cult of orcus in DnD so I think it makes sense that you have the following him and supporting him even as he/his minion is the one who actually does the killing?

[Untrod Tripod]

i dont get the ut SRs

it's almost as if everyone who has said they want to vote me is someone that I've told to fuck off for spamposting

[Menalque]

I don’t think FL pockets elements over pocketing you or me

He would if he were informed.


I mean, I def see why you'd say this, but a vig is def worth directing as scum

Okay, yes, that’s a fair point I guess but doesn’t seem like the most likely explanation of his behaviour

[Flavor Leaf]

Let’s be honest, if I were informed it’s because I used my next level deduction skills to inform myself.

There’s a lot of “how the hell does FL know that?!” in my games, let’s be honest, both alignments

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor is important in this game

Aww, you’re important to me too

[Enter]

Would actually be good if miss lynch could case me bc I think she was TRing me before and it would help me to see if I believe her progression on me

I have already cased you.

At what point did you believe that I thought you were town?

Why can’t we wagon Chen?

No.

[Menalque]

Like literally most of the game @miss lynch

Also where did you case me?

[Enter]

I’d quite like one of dave/miss lynch/amrun to case me because I think it’ll be a lot harder to do than it is to just throw shade in my direction and give me clear arguments on why I’m scummy and where that I can actually argue with

I’d prefer miss lynch out of everyone.
As their entire ISO is just shading others.

No it isn't. I was literally just defending someone.

[Amrun]

I actually need to correct a previous post. I never TR Menalque. I WAS null/uninterested at some point today, though, mostly because I think going after FL is kinda ballsy for scum in this situation.