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PvtUrist · Post Post #625 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:35 pm

I'll wait for faustiv to express his thoughts before I do anything else.

Not expecting town to win this game.

PvtUrist · Post Post #626 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:42 pm

Town needs all 3 votes but scum only needs 1. Assuming Titus is town, it's up to faustiv whether we win or lose this game.

faüstiv · Post Post #627 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:09 pm

yeah the rise cop flip changes the complexion of this game entirely.

I’ll check both Rise and Titus’ ISO’s later. It’s 4am here and I can’t sleep.

Map Wolf · Post Post #628 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:31 pm

In post 624, GayBabyJailor wrote:okay my lynch for today is pvt, map wolf, or titus with preference for map wolf

So you wanna lynch anyone but faustiv and you, but ideally me?

Map Wolf · Post Post #629 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:44 pm

In post 625, PvtUrist wrote:I'll wait for faustiv to express his thoughts before I do anything else.

Not expecting town to win this game.

Agree.

Also, this game is truly cursed if we both are town.

faüstiv · Post Post #630 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:58 pm

In post 626, PvtUrist wrote:Town needs all 3 votes but scum only needs 1. Assuming Titus is town, it's up to faustiv whether we win or lose this game.

no pressure

faüstiv · Post Post #631 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:01 pm

In post 462, Titus wrote:
In post 403, faüstiv wrote:VOTE: TheGildedSun

if both scum are outside Titus/GL then it doesn't make sense that rise/map split the vote. would GBJ unvote here if he's scum? idk. he might if he's partners with titus but then again if he was why would he vote titus at l2 in the first place? by unvoting he's drawing attention to himself.

TGS slot seems the most likely to be scum given the gamestate.
I disagree with this.

If GL is town, scum split the vote, keep the focus there and encourage apathy and stagnation. They can also get a dual lynch.

What's your thoughts on this now GL flipped town?

This was final votecount

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

GuiltyLion (4): Titus, Rise, PvtUrist, Map Wolf <-- LYNCH
Map Wolf (2): faüstiv, GuiltyLion

Not Voting (1): GayBabyJailor

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-27 21:00:00).

Map Wolf · Post Post #632 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:04 pm

Honestly, I think Faustiv/Titus might actually be the scumteam. Think about this. We were split between Titus/GL for a while... And then comes the post from faustiv in 420: Titus is probably PR he suggests. From that point onwards, we all just assume that titus is pr.

We know for sure that the setup is A1: Mafia Roleblocker, Town Cop, Town Doctor. In other words, Mafia can't for sure know who is pr.
Now let's assume Titus is town. Why would scum not kill them? Now sure it could be some hard WIFOM, but that'd carry an insane risk if they were pr as a cop result could be super valuable. Titus being scum is certainly the best explanation for the nightkill. Now why not kill faustiv? Surely he was the most townread player. Again, WIFOM could be used as an argument, but I personally don't believe that faustiv would've been lynched anyway.

On the other hand, if Titus is scum, then you'd want to avoid killing a pr role. Now obviously scum wouldn't want to kill me nor Pvt, so that leaves GBJ, Rise and Faustiv, minus the one of them that could be scum. Surely, if Titus was scum, then mafia would incorrectly have thought that Rise was least likely to be PR.
So I think Titus is almost certainly scum and would probably be the best lynch. Faustiv is not as clear-cut, but it mainly comes down to 420 which to me seems like a gamble attempting to save a scummate. I'll need to read through the Rise ISO though.

For what's it's worth, both faustiv and titus were on the BS lynch, with titus coming with a really bad reasoning still. Titus was on the GL lynch, but Faustiv wasn't.

faüstiv · Post Post #633 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:04 pm

i'm paranoid that i may have been completely wrong on titus

Map Wolf · Post Post #634 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:08 pm

In post 230, Titus wrote:Glided Sun and BS both have wagons to 3 again.

This suggest Map wolf and GS
Pvt
have the same alignment.

Hmmm. Now I know this is an old read, but if Titus is right here, then that means that me and Pvt are both town...

Map Wolf · Post Post #635 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:09 pm

In post 633, faüstiv wrote:i'm paranoid that i may have been completely wrong on titus

For what's it's worth, Titus/GBJ could also fit my theory.

Map Wolf · Post Post #636 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:12 pm

Reading the Rise ISO, I think chances are that she invested Pvt for town. Or she was roleblocked, that could've also happened.

Map Wolf · Post Post #637 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:12 pm

Like why else insist on the GL lynch?

Map Wolf · Post Post #638 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:14 pm

I'll leave it for now. Please don't vote yet, but scum is almost certainly Titus/someone else

faüstiv · Post Post #639 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:15 pm

In post 632, Map Wolf wrote:Honestly, I think Faustiv/Titus might actually be the scumteam. Think about this. We were split between Titus/GL for a while... And then comes the post from faustiv in 420: Titus is probably PR he suggests. From that point onwards, we all just assume that titus is pr.

We know for sure that the setup is A1: Mafia Roleblocker, Town Cop, Town Doctor. In other words, Mafia can't for sure know who is pr.
Now let's assume Titus is town. Why would scum not kill them? Now sure it could be some hard WIFOM, but that'd carry an insane risk if they were pr as a cop result could be super valuable. Titus being scum is certainly the best explanation for the nightkill. Now why not kill faustiv? Surely he was the most townread player. Again, WIFOM could be used as an argument, but I personally don't believe that faustiv would've been lynched anyway.

On the other hand, if Titus is scum, then you'd want to avoid killing a pr role. Now obviously scum wouldn't want to kill me nor Pvt, so that leaves GBJ, Rise and Faustiv, minus the one of them that could be scum. Surely, if Titus was scum, then mafia would incorrectly have thought that Rise was least likely to be PR.
So I think Titus is almost certainly scum and would probably be the best lynch. Faustiv is not as clear-cut, but it mainly comes down to 420 which to me seems like a gamble attempting to save a scummate. I'll need to read through the Rise ISO though.

For what's it's worth, both faustiv and titus were on the BS lynch, with titus coming with a really bad reasoning still. Titus was on the GL lynch, but Faustiv wasn't.

if I'm scum with Titus I bus Titus D2.

I bus Titus to gain towncred

Titus fishes PR

PR dies

If I'm scum with Titus then I don't assume they're PR and defend them. Reasons for this are:

1) say Titus was lynched and they flipped scum. I'm immediately in the frame for the next day for defending Titus, which would be unnecessarily drawing attention to myself considering I was a TR.

2) If Titus is scum and wasn't lynched, mafia don't know who the last PR is, risking potentially 2 reports in LYLO which would compromise their chances.

I have no good reason to save Titus if I'm scum with them.

Titus' reactions and intentions read more like PR rather than mafia to me.

Why didn't Titus die? Either it's scum or mafia had a PR read on Rise. Titus could have been roleblocked N1 and/or tonight. I'm going to read Rise shortly and see if there's anything telling.

faüstiv · Post Post #640 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:19 pm

In post 410, Rise wrote:
In post 404, faüstiv wrote:new angle:

who does everyone scumread outside GL/Titus

Not Map
and I don't think you either so that kinda leaves GBJ and TGS. It's kinda hard to say though because both these slots aren't offering much. I kinda want to reverve judgement on TGS a bit because it seems like she's genuinely busy but agreeing with GBJ, it is a bit weird she never votes.

In post 566, Rise wrote:
In post 558, faüstiv wrote:
In post 555, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm going to be so angry if we lose this game. I will take some responsibility for my lynch as I haven't tried very hard to make friends or persuade people not to vote for me, but I am fucking tired of how I and Faustiv are the only people actually posting cogent, reasonable takes over and over again to be ignored by Rise/Titus. I'm not an idiot, I know how to push and look for scum and the fact that you all went and derplynched BS and fought me at every turn when I tried to point out how it wasn't likely he was scum, then fought me at every turn when I tried to pressure Titus for an objectively shitty hammer only to turn it onto me for ??? reasons other than I am playing loud and aggressively is just beyond frustrating.

@GBJ even if it is manipulative it's the truth. I've tried over and over and over again to get Rise to drop her paranoia of me and listen to what I have to say and she simply won't do it. It's sick of it.
honestly guys I don't see this post coming from scum like ever.
Squint maybe? You just gotta look a little harder.

About Map: sorry if it's not but ughh if this an attempt to shift the focus back onto MW then I don't even want to answer because it won't help us at all.

hmmmmmmm

faüstiv · Post Post #641 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:22 pm

that may have been an inno soft on Map.

faüstiv · Post Post #642 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:23 pm

i'm feeling a PvT/Titus scumteam

faüstiv · Post Post #643 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:29 pm

i'm gonna read titus' previous gazillion games too.

faüstiv · Post Post #644 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:36 pm

In post 641, faüstiv wrote:that may have been an inno soft on Map.

Been thinking more about this. Would scum!Titus

want

to kill PR in this situation? Think about it, if Titus is scum then she’s in a good position to CC here. She only needs one town vote to win. What if Rise wasn’t a PR read at all and was just a ‘lucky’ kill that was originally targeted as a blue kill?

Rise was pretty hesitant to join the Map Wolf BW. Map is lynchbait. If Map is town then scum only need one town vote on him to win. Scum aren’t going to keep someone around who is hesitant to place their vote on a hot lynch.

faüstiv · Post Post #645 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:38 pm

If Titus is town then scum could still keep them alive because town would be paranoid as to why that slot was alive, ergo an attainable lynch.

scum have roleblocker, they could have just roleblocked her then tried to create paranoia.

faüstiv · Post Post #646 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:38 pm

urrrrrgggghhhhh

faüstiv · Post Post #647 (ISO) » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:39 pm

key to this game is finding town in titus/GBJ/PvT

faüstiv · Post Post #648 (ISO) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:08 am

why ponder life’s complexities when the leather runs smooth on the passenger’s seat?

Map Wolf · Post Post #649 (ISO) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:22 am

In post 644, faüstiv wrote:
In post 641, faüstiv wrote:that may have been an inno soft on Map.
Been thinking more about this. Would scum!Titus
want
to kill PR in this situation? Think about it, if Titus is scum then she’s in a good position to CC here. She only needs one town vote to win. What if Rise wasn’t a PR read at all and was just a ‘lucky’ kill that was originally targeted as a blue kill?

Rise was pretty hesitant to join the Map Wolf BW. Map is lynchbait. If Map is town then scum only need one town vote on him to win. Scum aren’t going to keep someone around who is hesitant to place their vote on a hot lynch.

My thought is that scum did not intend to kill pr.