[this paragraph is mostly just train of thought. it does not come to any meaningful conclusion and mostly just means "maybe"]In post 992, RadiantCowbells wrote:the simplest argument for why I'm town is that with the cop outed I no longer had any reason that I would want to cycle wagon people as scum.
more to the point, it is not something that I am capable of faking in an effective manner and so I usually get around it by having clearer scumreads at different times of the game
i've said this repeatedly in situations like this and it remains true. i don't think you realize how much energy i expend constantly rereading the game thread and trying to weigh the relative merits of different reads of the game and whatever. once ETL was outed, all i had to do was lynch someone roleblock her and play the long game. if i'm the roleblocker, i would probably have had my second buddy as my second scumread and i'd have lynched them and had them out the doc on the way down. very clean play that i could have executed with significantly less effort and that still leads to a very reliable win because you're simply not going to beat me by scumreading me over other people wthout mechanically cornering me in some way. i also don't as scum try to give the person that i'm trying to mislynch (who was the cop btw) an out on either the basis that i think it's a good play for scum or on the basis that my emotions lead me there. ETL would get over it if i mislynched her as scum.
like yimmy who is prob scum cited me having no reason to unvote him and go somewhere else. yeah. i had no reason to do that as scum.
if i was lying about my meta for the entire last year in terms of talking about it becoming progressively harder and harder to effectively fake certain aspects of my town meta, i certainly don't blow that meta on this game with team mafia coming up when this game ought to have pretty much been in the bag for scum me the moment that ETL claimed.
so playing the long game, bussing your partner, and having your partner fakeclaim is cleaner and easier than switching your vote a few times at the end of day one? that doesn't sound right but i guess i don't know you. like this doesn't mean amazingly much to me and if all it takes to subvert this meta and look town is to change your vote a few times than uh.. it doesn't look like it took much effort.
i suppose the "giving a target an out" thing is reasonable but it's not enough to change my mind.
i don't see you talking in the past about certain things being hard to fake and a quick ctrl-f throug your iso didn't find it. could you point me to it?
meta is cool i suppose but as it is i'm concerned with whether what you did makes sense as town or if it makes sense as scum. this hasn't convinced me that there was town motivation behind your vote switching and i can easily think of scum motivation for that behavior: distancing yourself from a mislynch or keeping options open (specifically the loserdude vote). there may have been other options as scum but this one still has you convinced you're going to ride to the end of the game without being lynched. (also why? the only people who have expressed solid townreads of you are menalque and recently loserdude)
the attitude in this post is odd. like being a possible mislynch in lylo is pretty bad for town and the only argument that you are probably ok in that case is that rc is defending you. i don't see much scum motivation but it's also odd coming from townIn post 1029, Menalque wrote:I mean I probably will look through the PoE again and give my best guess at the scum having done that
But rn I’m not super motivated because even if I get mislynched (which again I don’t think is super likely esp so long as RC is defending me) I’m hoping that you’ll be able to trust my read on RC (whoever is still alive) more — like he could be scum but I just don’t think he is? — and then lynch in the PoE
It’s a bit harder than if I’m not mislynched but not like horrendously
Aside from that there’s the fact that if I’m right about the PoE we’re hitting scum a raw 66% of the time which I’m hoping gives us another day where we lynch there again —. We miss there yeah, I’ll be under some pressure because I’d be going to 3p lylo but until we hit that point I’m just gonna be fairly chill
touchyIn post 1041, SausasaurusRex wrote:You think I actually thought RC was scum because he made a joke? Even if I missed RC’s joke, I understood it after Menalque’s first post. Is it not just sometimes a little fun to play along with the joke? I knew RC wouldn’t actually think that that was a viable argument, and Menalque basically confirmed it was a joke.In post 1040, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Gullible.In post 1036, SausasaurusRex wrote:Which word was it?
So no, it was not “gullible” of me, it was playing along with the joke.
this doesn't seem to match up with what you've expressed previously. you've shown a lot more suspicion of me (could be personal bias i guess??) and even if it's almost even i have a significantly lower post count than saus soIn post 1045, RadiantCowbells wrote:i would still rather lynch sausa than st. jimmy but
i dont think menalque and RC are scum together but gut is kinda telling me one of them is. i think saus is newbtown being harassed by more experienced players. it seems to me no matter what saus does one of either RC or menalque have an explanation for why it's scummy but don't seem to be devil's advocate-ing their own arguments.