Newbie 1965 | River | Over

[PvtUrist]

ayy pagetop

[PvtUrist]

cheers plot for modding

[Rise]

I’m sorry! I’ll remember for next time about posting before game over.

But FAUS YOU’RE EVIL!! I’m truly impressed. Don’t think I played very well looking back on things but I tried my best. I have a lot to learn.

[PvtUrist]

Umm, about the whole D2 thing, sorry town for pratically handing scum the free win. Hope nobody gets too mad about that :p

[faüstiv]

Also, lately I've been keeping track of some statistics about who is due for a prod next, when I look at the game. I thought it might be that scum are usually more likely to be the person who hasn't posted in a while, but not necessarily the person who gets prodded the most because you can post once every 35 hours and never get a prod. This is the second or third game I've been keeping track of and so far my hypothesis seems to be wrong:

Day 1: 2/13 scum 11/13 town
Day 2: 3/11 scum 8/11 town
Day 3: 1/2 scum 1/2 town

Even accounting for there being more town alive than scum, in this game, and in the previous ones that i kept track of, scum are not more likely than town to be the lurker who might get prodded soon.

I suppose in newbie games town can get put off by flipping VT. it's arguably the hardest role to play in a newbie forum mafia game imo. also there's no actions for them.

I think newbies prefer to be town than scum, but at least with scum you can kill and strategize etc. so there's some variation into the role.

[Plotinus]

I’m sorry! I’ll remember for next time about posting before game over.

But FAUS YOU’RE EVIL!! I’m truly impressed. Don’t think I played very well looking back on things but I tried my best. I have a lot to learn.

It's all right, not your fault that nobody told you. I've edited my standard dead thread OP so that future players will know.

[Rise]

Also thanks plot for great modding and those tips at the end. Excited to see scum PT.

[PvtUrist]

that being said we had a pretty strong newbie list this game. wouldnt mind being in more games with you guys in the future, faustiv, Rise, MW and GBJ.

[Plotinus]

Also, thanks to Nancy Drew 39 for taking care of you guys while I was away

[faüstiv]

I’m sorry! I’ll remember for next time about posting before game over.

But FAUS YOU’RE EVIL!! I’m truly impressed. Don’t think I played very well looking back on things but I tried my best. I have a lot to learn.

I think all the town played well except BS, but I think that’s because BS’ heart wasn’t in the game.

[faüstiv]

that being said we had a pretty strong newbie list this game. wouldnt mind being in more games with you guys in the future, faustiv, Rise, MW and GBJ.

yeah wouldn’t mind playing with anyone in this game again.

I’m gonna take a break from mafia for a bit though, got IRL stuff to sort out.

[Blatant Scum]

How did you manage to lynch Guilty Lion?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also, thanks to Nancy Drew 39 for taking care of you guys while I was away

Happy to have helped. Next time you need a backup mod, I’d be more than happy to do it again.

[Rise]

How did you manage to lynch Guilty Lion?

Apparently I’m a great pusher.

SORRY town, like the more I think about this game, the more I’m like “I fucked up.”

[faüstiv]

How did you manage to lynch Guilty Lion?

Apparently I’m a great pusher.

SORRY town, like the more I think about this game, the more I’m like “I fucked up.”

it's natural to think that when you know everything, like looking back myself I think 'how the hell did i PR read Map over you'?

it was only until N2 that I was confident you were cop, but until then I had no clue. looking back I wish i'd have seen it earlier because if I was town and saw that the game would have been much easier from my perspective.

[Map Wolf]

I KNEW IT. I LITERALLY CALLED OUT THE SCUMTEAM.........

To be honest I am super salty that GBJ voted Pvt.... Should've just hard pushed Titus.

[Map Wolf]

Honestly, I think Faustiv/Titus might actually be the scumteam. Think about this. We were split between Titus/GL for a while... And then comes the post from faustiv in 420: Titus is probably PR he suggests. From that point onwards, we all just assume that titus is pr.

We know for sure that the setup is A1: Mafia Roleblocker, Town Cop, Town Doctor. In other words, Mafia can't for sure know who is pr.
Now let's assume Titus is town. Why would scum not kill them? Now sure it could be some hard WIFOM, but that'd carry an insane risk if they were pr as a cop result could be super valuable. Titus being scum is certainly the best explanation for the nightkill. Now why not kill faustiv? Surely he was the most townread player. Again, WIFOM could be used as an argument, but I personally don't believe that faustiv would've been lynched anyway.

On the other hand, if Titus is scum, then you'd want to avoid killing a pr role. Now obviously scum wouldn't want to kill me nor Pvt, so that leaves GBJ, Rise and Faustiv, minus the one of them that could be scum. Surely, if Titus was scum, then mafia would incorrectly have thought that Rise was least likely to be PR.
So I think Titus is almost certainly scum and would probably be the best lynch. Faustiv is not as clear-cut, but it mainly comes down to 420 which to me seems like a gamble attempting to save a scummate. I'll need to read through the Rise ISO though.

For what's it's worth, both faustiv and titus were on the BS lynch, with titus coming with a really bad reasoning still. Titus was on the GL lynch, but Faustiv wasn't.

I LITERALLY SOLVE THE ENTIRE GAME EARLY IN THE DAY...
This is why I preferred Titus lynch. There was just no way Titus was town.

[faüstiv]

I KNEW IT. I LITERALLY CALLED OUT THE SCUMTEAM.........

To be honest I am super salty that GBJ voted Pvt.... Should've just hard pushed Titus.

yeah I was impressed.

honestly I think if Titus died I was screwed. my intention was to try and buddy you into voting PvT or at least try and steer the lynch in that direction which seemed to work... kind of.

[Map Wolf]

I’m sorry! I’ll remember for next time about posting before game over.

But FAUS YOU’RE EVIL!! I’m truly impressed. Don’t think I played very well looking back on things but I tried my best. I have a lot to learn.

I think all the town played well except BS, but I think that’s because BS’ heart wasn’t in the game.

The whole move where you soft read Titus as pr was very good. Would've been even bigger of a win if I didn't notice it.

How did you manage to lynch Guilty Lion?

I hammered because I didn't want to be lynched myself, and because I didn't think Pvt was lock scum.

[Map Wolf]

I KNEW IT. I LITERALLY CALLED OUT THE SCUMTEAM.........

To be honest I am super salty that GBJ voted Pvt.... Should've just hard pushed Titus.

yeah I was impressed.

honestly I think if Titus died I was screwed. my intention was to try and buddy you into voting PvT or at least try and steer the lynch in that direction which seemed to work... kind of.

I am pretty sure either I or GBJ die if Titus is lynched. In that case, scum might still win if you push Pvt although obviously the votes might be a give-away.

[faüstiv]

I KNEW IT. I LITERALLY CALLED OUT THE SCUMTEAM.........

To be honest I am super salty that GBJ voted Pvt.... Should've just hard pushed Titus.

yeah I was impressed.

honestly I think if Titus died I was screwed. my intention was to try and buddy you into voting PvT or at least try and steer the lynch in that direction which seemed to work... kind of.

I am pretty sure either I or GBJ die if Titus is lynched. In that case, scum might still win if you push Pvt although obviously the votes might be a give-away.

yeah but it's who.

i could either kill you, but in that context scum!PvT never kills you, so it's a risk and GBJ could easily have been swayed enough to vote me. killing GBJ and convincing you was also a risk because you thought I was mafia and PvT town.

[Rise]

@map, ya did good! I was cheering for you in the dead thread lol

[faüstiv]

i feel bad for guiltylion after reading the dead thread.

also shocked he was lynched. if i wasn't scum i definitely would've defended him harder.

[Map Wolf]

@map, ya did good! I was cheering for you in the dead thread lol

Thank you. It does feel a bit disappointing to lose in this kind of way though.

i feel bad for guiltylion after reading the dead thread.

also shocked he was lynched. if i wasn't scum i definitely would've defended him harder.

I would've probably hammered Pvt if I had the chance.

[Titus]

GG

A few words of advice for people I have seen real quick.

First things first, everyone had a great attitude and worked well together. It was a much closer game than the lynches indicated. Don't feel discouraged by this, even you BS.

BS, softing you might be a PR is ok but not when scum can hammer. I took the opportunity to hammer for two reasons: 1) I knew based on our roles a doctor PR was likely and 2) my own reality makes it harder to fool people. If this was a few months from now, I probably let you go since I could just shoot the doctor here.

GL, you were 100% right to push on me day 2. On day 1, the mechanics thing was a little meh. Town!Titus makes similar observations and relies on them later. The mechanical observations were accurate. If that would have been noticed, I think lylo is even harder for us as GBJ is basically the ML at that point.

On day 2, you pushed invoking the moderator. Don't do this. If the moderator takes no action, it makes me look more legitimate. Truth be told, town can hammer such a soft claim. So when I made my protests, I looked legitimate because everything I said was true. Instead, if you put this as a meta argument, I think you lynch me there. I told you this during the game, and I meant it. Don't invoke the mod. It rarely goes well.

MW, well played, particularly escaping the lynch. At the end, I don't recommend being so hostile to your scumread. Particularly at the end where you said you'd SR anyone who made an L minus 1 vote. I knew you already SRed me to kingdom come anyway so I just set up for hammer. It worked with the narrative I established.

PvT, You were great at communicating your reads but don't veto lynches. You vetoing a lynch on me made it much easier to lynch GL. The vetoing a lynch on MW caused us to move our lynch strategy in lylo. It's great to communicate your desires, but you can't hold on so close.

GBJ, I loved most of your play. I think you were the best player together and really helped hold town together well. The best recommendation I have for you is being a bit more assertive in helping your TRs work together.

Rise, you were basically killed as a PoE cop kill. Nothing wrong with that at all. We just didn't want lylo clears and I was somewhat expendable. In future games, you should crumb more that way when scum do shoot you in this situation town have your result. Not many looked because it's newbies but seasoned vets will look.

Get, most of what you did was pretty good but liable to anger people if you consistently use the tone you did. The pushback on Faustiv is likely why you died (not checking the PT).

Last but not least, Faustiv, your innate dayplay is amazing. You didn't need me as much as you worried. In the future, I'd distance from me a little more but that's a personal call. Being the goon, I was always more expendable.

Feel free to give me feedback too. This was a very enjoyable game. I look to see all of you around. For quicker access to games, you can always replace in.

Thanks for the great game,

Titus