Guns & Roses III [Game over]

Creature · Post Post #125 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:56 pm

In post 103, DrDolittle wrote:8 or 9 roses is ideal picks, creature.

They do nothing if they're outnumbered by scum

Amrun · Post Post #126 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:59 pm

In post 122, GuiltyLion wrote:And I think you misunderstand, even if you knew already there were 3 scum you may not have been explicitly thinking about that when joking that the scumteam is 2 people. Which would still be a townslip bc I don't think scum would forget that so easily

I think this is a good reason Mena is town but not a good reason that whatsit is scum.

alimdia · Post Post #127 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:10 pm

Mena just admitted that he will have checked the number of scum regardless of alignment tho
So I personally think Mena is null for that statement

Amrun · Post Post #128 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:11 pm

In post 127, alimdia wrote:Mena just admitted that he will have checked the number of scum regardless of alignment tho
So I personally think Mena is null for that statement

Yes, but I agree with GL’s assessment that it’s a more likely mental mistake to come from town. It’s not a town”slip” but I do TR both Mena and GL for making me consider it more deeply, which doesn’t seem scum motivated in and of itself.

AaronFrost · Post Post #129 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:52 pm

In post 48, Pretentious wrote:
In post 46, Something_Smart wrote:Claiming rose is not nearly as spicy when there are nine roses as it was when there was one...
It really isn’t, but I was just explaining why I chose what I did.

Specifically so I could say N3 Rose.

If you think that’s what I am, so be it.

Based on the scum game I just played with you, I know scum you likes to spew a lot of bullshit

AaronFrost · Post Post #130 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:53 pm

In post 50, Pretentious wrote:I don’t even think I get it.

Proof that even Flavor himself doesn't know what he's talking about half the time

AaronFrost · Post Post #131 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:56 pm

In post 88, Salamence20 wrote:I have a feeling AF is scum and I have no way to explain it at this time, just the feeling i get reading his posts.

Up until this post all I had done was say hi to Datisi and quote Muse songs so I'm curious to hear more about this.

AaronFrost · Post Post #132 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:01 pm

In post 106, GuiltyLion wrote:I thought it was presented in a joking manner (and Salamence has since said it was RVS/joke) but personally I viewed it as something that's worth a non-RVS vote and I was kinda hoping Salamence felt the same. I think if you genuinely forgot when posting that there were 3 scum then that's a townslip and Datisi pointing it out yet without any thought to your alignment feels like something scum might do.

I mean town can easily look at the OP and see how many scum there are.

I also find it weird that you read Salamence's vote as joking yet read the banter between Menal/Datisi as serious.

AaronFrost · Post Post #133 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:04 pm

In post 115, Menalque wrote:Datisi is always scum tho, apart from when she’s obvtown

Or she acts obvtown so that she can deepwolf but ends up being scum in the end.

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cue flashbacks to Newbie 1949

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Amrun · Post Post #134 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:29 pm

In post 127, alimdia wrote:Mena just admitted that he will have checked the number of scum regardless of alignment tho
So I personally think Mena is null for that statement

Do you scumread Mena?

GuiltyLion · Post Post #135 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:33 pm

In post 132, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 106, GuiltyLion wrote:I thought it was presented in a joking manner (and Salamence has since said it was RVS/joke) but personally I viewed it as something that's worth a non-RVS vote and I was kinda hoping Salamence felt the same. I think if you genuinely forgot when posting that there were 3 scum then that's a townslip and Datisi pointing it out yet without any thought to your alignment feels like something scum might do.
I mean town can easily look at the OP and see how many scum there are.

I also find it weird that you read Salamence's vote as joking yet read the banter between Menal/Datisi as serious.

I didn't read the banter as serious - what makes you say that I did? You can be joking and still mess up how many scum there are. If anything part of the reason I was pinged by Datisi is

because

she wasn't more serious.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #136 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:35 pm

In post 132, AaronFrost wrote:I mean town can easily look at the OP and see how many scum there are.

Also this doesn't make sense regarding what we were talking about, the whole point is that scum know how many scum there are and so if you forget or get it wrong then you're more likely town. This reply has no relevance to that logic

DrDolittle · Post Post #137 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:39 pm

In post 125, Creature wrote:
In post 103, DrDolittle wrote:8 or 9 roses is ideal picks, creature.
They do nothing if they're outnumbered by scum

sorry that was supposed to be phrased as a question, as in open to discussion.

I want to argue that with 2/3 guns, we can get that number of conf towns, since its unlikely that scum pools with the gun claims - otherwise they get flushed out in the long run. 2: definitely no pooling. 3: maybe 1 scum pool? Any even so it's pretty not optimal.

This doesn't work with 2/3 roses because of the no-rose = town lose strat.

I propose mass-claim, but only after we get a bit more action. I'm thinking around 2/3 - 3/4 of day mark. Thoughts?

DrDolittle · Post Post #138 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:41 pm

this doesn't work with 5/6 guns because scum can pool safely within guns at that rate, although we do get better "double-days".

I think 1 IC should be worth 2 double-days though? + we get added bonus of safe roses.

ISO · Post Post #139 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:41 pm

In post 136, GuiltyLion wrote:the whole point is that scum know how many scum there are and so if you forget or get it wrong then you're more likely town.

That wasn't the whole point; part of 106 stated that Datisi correcting the number of scum made her more likely scum. That part is relevant to Aaron's reply.

DrDolittle · Post Post #140 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:42 pm

SS pls comment on my 137 138

ISO · Post Post #141 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:45 pm

In post 137, DrDolittle wrote:I propose mass-claim, but only after we get a bit more action. I'm thinking around 2/3 - 3/4 of day mark. Thoughts?

No gun should ever claim earlier than the day before they can shoot, unless forced to (and even if forced, they should claim only gun at L-1 and not what night).

So probably wait until at least day 3 unless D1/N1 go disastrously for town and D3 could be LYLO.

DrDolittle · Post Post #142 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:46 pm

In post 141, Something_Smart wrote:No gun should ever claim earlier than the day before they can shoot, unless forced to (and even if forced, they should claim only gun at L-1 and not what night).

I agree on "they should claim only gun at L-1 and not what night"
but I don't see the rationale of "No gun should ever claim earlier than the day before they can shoot"

DrDolittle · Post Post #143 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:47 pm

actually i may see it but I want to see whether our thoughts match up

GuiltyLion · Post Post #144 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:47 pm

In post 139, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 136, GuiltyLion wrote:the whole point is that scum know how many scum there are and so if you forget or get it wrong then you're more likely town.
That wasn't the whole point; part of 106 stated that Datisi correcting the number of scum made her more likely scum. That part is relevant to Aaron's reply.

Eh okay that's fair

I guess I would then clarify that it's jokingly correcting Mena but then not doing anything else that I find scummy, not the act of correcting itself

ISO · Post Post #145 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:48 pm

The rationale is that then they will die before shooting, and town will lose a chance to make a town-aligned kill.

ISO · Post Post #146 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:49 pm

In post 144, GuiltyLion wrote:I guess I would then clarify that it's jokingly correcting Mena but then not doing anything else that I find scummy, not the act of correcting itself

Understood. Though that seems dubious.

But hey, when you're getting out of RVS, you take what you can get, I suppose.

DrDolittle · Post Post #147 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:52 pm

i also realized this game is considerably faster than I had previously thought

alimdia · Post Post #148 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:56 pm

In post 134, Amrun wrote:
In post 127, alimdia wrote:Mena just admitted that he will have checked the number of scum regardless of alignment tho
So I personally think Mena is null for that statement
Do you scumread Mena?

I just said Mena is null for the whole argument. Part of me could townread him for not trying to use it to get himself more towncred, but then Datisi is in the game so....

In post 145, Something_Smart wrote:The rationale is that then they will die before shooting, and town will lose a chance to make a town-aligned kill.

Exactly, and even if someone is a N1 gun for instance, it would be very hard to direct their shot

Iconeum · Post Post #149 (ISO) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:35 pm

In post 14, Datisi wrote:I was trying to find some variation of "he said what we were all thinking" or "he's brave for telling the truth" in gif form but i didn't find anything good in the 3 minutes i was searching

In post 17, texcat wrote:9 roses, not what I expected.

VOTE: Aaron

i was promised a bloodbath, instead i've got a hottub full of roses? what is this?

In post 35, Salamence20 wrote:
In post 28, Datisi wrote:
In post 23, Menalque wrote:Calling it now the scum team is literally datisi, SS
There's 3 scum tho
Only scum would notice such a glaring omission

VOTE: Datisi

Not really? But Menal might have townslipped there

In post 41, Pretentious wrote:Oh, wtf. It’s Salamence. Neat.

SS, I’m getting scum vibes from you. I don’t think I’m right by any means, but I feel we’re about to be on different sides of the shift. (Not alignment wise, gamestate wise) However, it could be leftover from the last Guns/Roses.

I for one
love
bad puns. You gotta go for the bad ones to test the audience. Sometimes ya hit, sometimes ya miss.

I don't like this post. Don't understand the need for this callout, especially if you say it's not AI?