Newbie 1971 [Game Over!]

[Non lmh]

VOTE: Mena

good day to all)

I don't like this post, Menalque had already posted yet the vote is made without any engagement + greeting the thread felt awkward

VOTE: Non Imh

vote was without intention, greeting was genuine

[Map Wolf]

If GL's play is going to be similar to Rivers, then I wouldn't mind lynching him day one, lol.

[Map Wolf]

^Nothing personal, but let's find scum early on.

[Uncrowned]

your reason for voting kinda felt forced

like I see the "logic" but it seemed like you were trying a bit too much to have a reason for voting, if that makes sense.

kinda like the opposite of skit's read on gbj having a relaxed entrance. here it feels like you're trying to score towncred early by progressing the game and having a "reason" behind it that, if you really think about it, isn't much of a "reason" at all lol

I disagree that I'm "trying to score towncred", what makes you think that I am? What would be different about my entrance if I

weren't

trying to score towncred, in your mind?

If you weren't, I think you'd have had a more calm entry without jumping on someone in RVS immediately. If you were in Non Imh's position, what kind of "engagement" would you have made with Mena on P1 if you were voting for them? It just seems like an odd thing to bring up without much merit to it.

I mean .... you're pushing a second post empty vote, where the first post was an obvious meme. i dont entirely get what you think you'd be getting out of that

it's how I play, start pressuring and voting scumreads as soon as possible. I vote the entrance I liked the least and usually either ask a question to help me sort or explain why I didn't like it. I don't meme or joke around in RVS as I find that a waste of time and not useful for getting reads in the slightest.

Here's a handful of my entries in recent Newbie games to back that up:
Newbie 1965 River, "page 2 reads list looks fake"

Newbie 1917, " 9 feels over-explainy"

Newbie 1907, "I too would like a follow-up to [post] 33, and I'm also gonna call out that I don't see the point behind this comment - is your line of thinking that we shouldn't pressure people because scum may use that to blend in, or that we might look like scum in doing so, or what?"

So you don't think your Post 23 on Page 1 (link isn't working for some reason lol) comes off as over-explainy for a vote, like that Post 9 was in Newbie 1917? I think they're kinda similar although the context is different, admittedly.

Like do you really think scum!me cares or bothers to fake getting annoyed with you about you overly defending a Newbie that I'm trying to pressure and sort early?

Well, yeah. You may have seen an easy pressure/push you could've made on a player be shut down by a person you know is a townie. Or you could be a townie who is legitimately annoyed. This could come from smart scum OR from frustrated town.

I'll admit I'm leaning to the latter though, given your other examples of similar play in other games. Seems like it's your meta.

[Uncrowned]

uncrowned i guess? they seem more reactive than proactive

that's the game

[GayBabyJailor]

uncrowned i guess? they seem more reactive than proactive

that's the game

it's really not
town wants to find scum not defend themself

[Uncrowned]

is that not what i'm doing by attempting to get a read on GL?

i don't recall defending myself anywhere, i don't really care if i'm pushed on atm i've got reads to sort

[GayBabyJailor]

is that not what i'm doing by attempting to get a read on GL?

i don't recall defending myself anywhere, i don't really care if i'm pushed on atm i've got reads to sort

youre doing it right now

[Uncrowned]

eh, your points flawed.

"reactive not proactive" was said while I was pushing on GL

[Uncrowned]

If GL's play is going to be similar to Rivers, then I wouldn't mind lynching him day one, lol.

^Nothing personal, but let's find scum early on.

you think GL is scum or you just dont' like his play?

[Uncrowned]

VOTE: Mena

good day to all)

I don't like this post, Menalque had already posted yet the vote is made without any engagement + greeting the thread felt awkward

VOTE: Non Imh

vote was without intention, greeting was genuine

any thoughts on GL pushing on you? do you think that comes from town more often than scum?

what about skitter defending you? make anything of that?

[skitter30]

So you think his play here is similar to rivers? Why?

well ive never seen guilty participate in rvs

i mean ... you're also saying you only have a one game sample size so why do you think this is town indicative exactly ?

[Kanna]

@GuiltyLion #72 Honestly, I have no idea - I don’t think the entry says anything. Why is it likely to come from scum?

[Kanna]

I’m unsure how to feel about GL. His responses seem kind of townie but they’re a bit over the top.

[skitter30]

I disagree with my play being LAMIST and I'll ask you the same question I just asked to Uncrowned, skitter - what specifically do you think about my play here is more likely to come from scum!me then town!me? Like do you really think scum!me cares or bothers to fake getting annoyed with you about you overly defending a Newbie that I'm trying to pressure and sort early?

but I don't know what else we should be doing if not looking for scum

it was specifically this part that felt lamist ^; it feels like you're kinda making a point of saying 'hi look i am here and trying to scumhunt'

the getting annoyed at me was kinda townie tho, yeah, and the early questioning does seem like how you enter the game as town; what's your most recent (newbie) scumgame?

i still don't think your question was particularly useful in of itself
although i do like that it gave me something that i could use to like ~get~ into the game

UNVOTE:

[skitter30]

also the idea of LAMIST in general I think is a bogus and overused "tell"... everyone regardless of alignment is going to play in a way that they think makes them look town, and in my experience there's not a reliable way to distinguish between "coming across as trying to look town bc they're town" vs "coming across as trying to look town bc they're scum". I've also posted about this before as well!

i think the difference is that scum will often go out of their way to sound townie so as to not call negative attention to themselves, and will thus post things that they think will make them look town, while town doesn't really care how they're perceived as much

[skitter30]

VOTE: Mena

good day to all)

I don't like this post, Menalque had already posted yet the vote is made without any engagement + greeting the thread felt awkward

VOTE: Non Imh

vote was without intention, greeting was genuine

do you have any thoughts on the happenings thus far? what do you think of gl's questioning of you?

[skitter30]

uncrowned i guess? they seem more reactive than proactive

that's the game

it's really not
town wants to find scum not defend themself

what do you mean by 'reactive' and 'proactive' in this context, and how is uncrowned being the former and not the latter ?

[skitter30]

@GuiltyLion #72 Honestly, I have no idea - I don’t think the entry says anything. Why is it likely to come from scum?

hey! how much mafia experience do you have?

[Kanna]

@GuiltyLion #72 Honestly, I have no idea - I don’t think the entry says anything. Why is it likely to come from scum?

hey! how much mafia experience do you have?

Not much. I know the concepts and have watched other people play but I’ve only played once or twice myself.

[Non lmh]

VOTE: Lion

any scumreads outside of me/skit?

[Non lmh]

uncrowned i guess? they seem more reactive than proactive

that's the game

it's really not
town wants to find scum not defend themself

outside of meta, any post(s) in particular this game convince you on Lion?)

[Non lmh]

VOTE: Mena

good day to all)

I don't like this post, Menalque had already posted yet the vote is made without any engagement + greeting the thread felt awkward

VOTE: Non Imh

vote was without intention, greeting was genuine

do you have any thoughts on the happenings thus far? what do you think of gl's questioning of you?

pushing me was fine IMO, reasoning felt contrived

[Uncrowned]

agreed.

it's a play that imo can come from a townie with no info/trying to start conversation but eh, i think it was a bit forced

[Menalque]

ducky, are we getting a replacement?