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[Wake1]

If Salad is lynched and flips Town I'd be OK with an Eve lynch.

[Eve]

eve are you an alt?

yessir
abandoning my old account

[profii]

I knew there was something weird going on

[Eve]

I knew there was something weird going on

what?

[profii]

Theres a vibe like you don't know what's going on but it didn't seem real- kinda makes sense that you're an alt

[Elbirn]

If Salad is lynched and flips Town I'd be OK with an Eve lynch.

Wake what actually are your reads I'm dying to know

[UltimatePlank]

VOTE: salad
ill help you out

I have so many feelings about this post

[Eve]

You people need to stop having lives and post more

[Elbirn]

Don't look at me I've caught the last scum and am waiting patiently for him to answer my question

[Wake1]

Don't look at me I've caught the last scum and am waiting patiently for him to answer my question

You ain't caught shit.

I'm not a PEZ dispenser. You don't just press my button and a read pops out. If I want to give out reads, I will.

You're not gonna make me play how

you

want me to play.

[Eve]

Oh yeah Elbirn so since we know 1 scum is left I concede there is a small chance that scum is messing around and no killing for the laughters but I don't think it's ever optimal unless they're multitasking and have cool abilities

Or maybe they're a godfather unless they kill the same night so they're hoping to be cop checked and cleared
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Eve]

To clarify there: my ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh is one of realisation rather than frustration

[Eve]

I wouldn't mind voting wake actually

[Eve]

Though he's probably town unfortunately

[alimdia]

You people need to stop having lives and post more

have you caught up yet?

[Saladman27]

I wouldn't mind voting wake actually

Though he's probably town unfortunately

Why do you wanna vote wake? and why do you TR him all of a sudden?

[UltimatePlank]

sigh

i actually just don't know who the last scum is at all rn

[UltimatePlank]

the best associative tells say saladman.

if it's not saladman, then genuinely idk but i guess i have to then entertain the possibility i'm wrong about Eve or Wake.

well i guess there's always Elements too.

[UltimatePlank]

i really dislike Elements interactions with me and I feel like they should be more paranoid about me, right?

they were scumreading me earlier in the game, it's apparently changed and they're trying to help me. maybe because i don't feel lynchable to them anymore?

how much of this is just paranoia

[Wake1]

[Starting from Day 4]

Spoiler: alimdia

Currently I'm Town-reading Alimdia. He's been one of the more active players here.

What do you think about the failed mass-claim, alimdia?

I'd like to know, alimdia, what you're like during your Scum games.

Also, do you still not believe my claim or?

I know that in the post-game you will see that Saudade was lying and fabricating his 'result.' I still don't know if my action protected Town profii, or failed against Scum profii. I see in 1118 you've never been scum; great.

Are you willing to share what your N3 action and target was, alimdia?

It's already been used up, and I see little if any reason to conceal that information currently. I'd also like to know if you still think Eve was/is sheeping. OK, so you were N3 Doctor; I'd like to know who you targeted and why please.

Spoiler: Elbirn

I never said we were mass-claiming, nor did I demand it; I asked players one-by-one when passing the popcorn, and asked another player when one refused. So apparently you're only voting for me because you don't think it's possible two NS PRs can exist.

That said, will you vote Alimdia once you realize I was telling the truth if I am mislynched?

I'd also like to know why you are unwilling to believe my claim, yet willing to believe alimdia's based on your POV regarding setup.

Spoiler: Elements

I don't feel like you've contributed much if any content this Day. It feels like you're playing safe. [Do you still Scumread the Zote/Eve slot?[/b] You had mentioned 'strange progression' and 'contradiction after contradiction,' which I imagine should be something to continue pursuing, despite the slot switch. I do like your 1177. I targeted profii because I thought he could be Scum, but I didn't know what the 'Loyal' modifier did, thus skewing my result. I'd also like to know if you think it's reasonable to Scumread someone because it's apparent there's two N3 PRs in this game.

Spoiler: Eve

I feel like you know how to play Mafia, yet are coming off as if you're inexperienced. Could you at least share the amount (time-wise) of experience your main account had? You're sheeping way too much, and you've done so yet again in 1250; it just looks opportunistic.

Spoiler: profii

Do you believe quick-hammering makes one Scum?

I'm Townreading profii a bit for his Scumhunting, although he's wrong on his suspicions towards me. In hindsight I probably wouldn't have quickhammered, and I can see how it'd be viewed as Scummy; doubtful I'd do that again in the future.

You mentioned you'd have no issue claiming, so do you still have no issue with it or are you deciding to hold back?

I'd like to know where you're planning to put your vote, profii. You said Scum is obviously Elbirn, yet you're currently not voting anyone. Your 1130 does make me Townread you for now; I don't think you'd allow for your partner to be lynched so early. Since I Townread you more than others currently, I'd like to know if you think two N3 PRs are possible in this game. The Loyal modifier could potentially clear someone, too, but because there was no NK that threw that idea out the window.

Spoiler: Saladman27

You were quick to vote me because you didn't think it possible that 2 N3 PRs could exist, yet now you're voting someone else, and I would like to understand from you why. I think you, like UP, need to contribute a lot more if you're Town.

Spoiler: UltimatePlank

You're currently in my Null pile. I'd like to see you take more risks instead of playing so safely.

Do you still think the last Scum is obviously within Elements or Saladman?

Interesting that you echoed my concern that alimdia could have been hardbussing Looker; I just don't see it as an optimal strategy, although it's possible.

Would you still vote me over alimdia, but Elements/Saladman before either of us?

I'd like to know if you're still on the fence regarding Wimpy/Elbirn slot. I want to see you take a stronger position in this game, to at least make me feel that you're Town and actively looking for Scum. I feel like you haven't provided much for reads either, but I do agree his hammer on Looker looked, well, off.

[Saladman27]

I wasn’t quick to vote you because I thought there couldn’t be any 2 N3 PRs, I thought there was just too many PRs in general. I changed my vote cause I realised it is possible to have more PRs/Maf than VT

[profii]

As with pretty much any action in this game, (in this example quick hammering) it could be scummy, it could be poor town play.
You have identified in hindsight that it was a bad idea. It really would have been useful to get Saudade and Vortuka to hard claim their night actions as have lost 2 valuable bits of info.

so let's go back and reconsider my position on Elbirn. Elbirns play seems really scummy in isolation but I have been giving the slot "as a whole" the benefit of the doubt because of Wimpy play - some said that he caused a massive distraction by getting into a 1v1 with Vortuka and then just left, when actually the prolonged distraction is a good scum play.

Now we know 2 more facts since that event - Vortuka = town & apparently Wimpy left the site in it's entirity not just this game - I assumed he just didnt actually like being involved in the 1v1 but there is a now a chance he had to leave the site for personal reasons and the 1v1 was just good scum play.


The other thing to consider is we have had 2 protections on N3, Wake JK on me + Almidia on Elbirn. Now would the scum target me because I think I'm a pretty hard lynch - i dont feel like I've come under any significant pressure or would they target Elbirn because everyone was saying the Wimpy replace out was so towny... I can't call it. I'm actually leaning Elbirn because not too many people have played with me and are familiar enough with me to know that I can be obv town and hard to lynch so it makes Elbirn more likely.


So that means I'm not going to lynch Ali, me, Elbirn, UltimatePlank as he seems obv town for his play outside of all the above.

Leaving
Elements
Eve
Salad
Wake

I am rubbish at setup spec so I dont want to categorically say there can or can't be 2 protectives. I believe Ali, but there is every chance Wake could be a Disloyal Scum JK and tried to stop my PR as I was insinuating I might be protective as well. If Wake is N3 I could believe he was multitasking in a game where it's 2v9.

I think Ali was on the same wavelength when I was insinuating doctor which is why he didnt scum read me for doing it but it does raise question over the Loyal JK claim. I cannot believe you wouldnt check your role after 3 days if you didnt know what Loyal meant, if you did you would have realised you were a protective as well and should be gunning for my lynch or giving me the wink of knowing what i was doing.



I dont like Eve because I have also picked up on the lack of experience vibe which blatantly isn't true.
elements is sneaking under the radar a little bit and Salad is also very quiet.


I really dont know what to do

[profii]

I’ll hammer, I guess. I mean who needs a claim when you can have a flip?
VOTE: Look

VC 1.FINAL

Looker (6): Wake88, alimdia, Elements, profii, UltimatePlank, Saladman27 (Lynch)

UltimatePlank (2):

Looker, Zote the Mighty

Wake88 (2):

Saudade, Vorkuta

Not Voting (1):

Elbirn

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

One of the things that bugs me about Salad is this.

Salad's post 662 was made at: Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:37 am
and you can see the deadline in the VC quote of 18th Nov
We had a good 2 days to push Looker to claim and Salad just jumped in with a hammer. No one criticises it because scum flip but it's still bad town play to just hammer imo.
but the issue I have is that's a pretty confident hammer. On reflection maybe a better player than I would say that Looker's behaviour was obtuse and obviously scummy but that is easy to say in hindsight.

I feel like Salad was perhaps resigned to the fact of losing his team mate when the wagon didnt die off so cashed in on the town cred.

[Eve]

Why are people saying I'm trying to act inexperienced? I'm just playing normally

I've played a few games on here with my old account Wake

[alimdia]

Wake, I claimed my target already. It was Eibirn.

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