Mini 2106 - Magia Record Fate Weave Semi-U-Pick (OVER!)

[Farkran]

pops did u roll scum again?

Sala did u roll scum?

VOTE: gamma

[Farkran]

...don't know why those two posts got quoted, ignore them

[Alchemist21]

Somebody hit me with the Charm Status.

Somebody hit me with the Charm Status.

What is charm status?

Prevents me from using memoria, magia/doppel, or Night actions (excluding factional kills).

Another soft-roleblocking ability? I don't think scum has access to this though. Bewitch has an ambiguous description and does not block magia, but if scum had Charm as you described, no way salamence would have said he was stunned over this.

I’m fairly sure Charm didn’t come from scum just because it explicitly says it doesn’t stop factional kills. I also think I have a pretty good idea of who charmed me.

[Farkran]

I actually think Suji’s role is a little too stacked to be a vig. Town vigs don’t usually include protection like his role does; SK’s are the ones who usually get that kind of combo.

This might make sense but we'll take care of scum first, then if we don't get a town win we'll go after sks

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok so far here's what i believe with a decent degree of certainty:

• TL is a town neighborizer
  
• Suji is a town vig
  
• Kerset is town
  
• Alchemist is town

I'm not entirely certain of bitmap's claim yet, but it's plausible until proven otherwise. Also i think i know Chemist's flavor, but it's NAI. Given that list, my PoE is {Gamma, Chemist}.

So, looking at Salamence +40mp night ability and people who -probably- picked an Accel disc d2: {gamma, alchemist, sujimichi} i think we have our 3rd scum in gamma who likely has a strongman ability embedded in her magia power, which allowed him to bypass bitmap's protection. Plus there's also VCA and plausible distancing from pops in d1 to back this up.

VOTE: chemist but i actually want to lynch gamma today, will vote gamma in my next post due to my ability

What is this “plausible distancing from pops”? And what is your VCA?

[Alchemist21]

I actually think Suji’s role is a little too stacked to be a vig. Town vigs don’t usually include protection like his role does; SK’s are the ones who usually get that kind of combo.

This might make sense but we'll take care of scum first, then if we don't get a town win we'll go after sks

Agreed. I’d rather hit the scum first too.

[Alchemist21]

pops did u roll scum again?

Sala did u roll scum?

VOTE: gamma

This wil be hilarious if Bitmap is actually scum.

[Farkran]

Yeah i was ISOing bitmap to see if her BG claim made sense with her progression and disc selection, and i'm not entirely sure it does but there's no reason to doubt him before we eliminate PoEd targets.

I probably hit the multiquote button on those two posts by accident

[Farkran]

Spoiler: pops on gamma

I'm still not happy with Gamma's slot. Ontop of his sketchy read progression on Severa his tone just doesn't feel as townie as it usually does to me.
Farkran has a lot of scum equity, my hesitance to push their is paranoia about the popularity of the wagon (especially since he was L-1+intented in his first game as town) and a desire to play with him some more. He seems to care more about what people think about him or care more about being right rather than sorting and that gives me a feeling he might be scum.
The back up options are falling off a lot after that, because the rest of things I scumread tend to be mostly you.

Show me where you are using your own thoughts as opposed to move people up and down your internal readlist because so far i have only seen general consensus reads coming from you, which MIGHT be ok but i would expect at least some concern when your instinct leads you to vote already populated wagons rather than doubt the town-motivation of any of those wagons.

TL;DR please produce a detailed readlist with only your own thoughts.

This is where you call V&M a sheepy slot? And I don't think it's the only time?
I'm surprised you're trying to walk it back rather than trying to justify it.

I'm not sure why you're voting me. I've read you correctly 0/1 times, a BoP that town!pops would never misread you is silly. Do you not understand my reasoning for disliking your slot?
I think Alchemist, Gamma, and TL are all better lynches than you, or at least I did think that, but if you're just going immediately scumlock me for voting you and start speculating associatives there's not much ability to work with you here. The progression's not making sense to me.

Would it make you happier if I played, Eva? You did mention that laziness makes you sad earlier.

I will play if it makes you happy.
I assure you it won't make a big difference, but I do like you. You gave me an award.

pedit: Hm. I think I would use it on Gamma. I don't think he would be the likeliest to flip scum, but I think he's the most dangerous as scum, because I'm worried about how consistent Severa reads people who have lunged at him. I think TL, Alchemist, Bitmap, and Farkran* are scummy but Severa and the town as a unit can course correct them more easily.

There's this whole theory discussion about using vigs based on consensus even when consensus is wrong because you conclude mislynches before they actually have to happen, I'm undecided about that and don't want to think about it.

I don't know if Severa is misreading me, I don't know Severa's alignment.

If Severa is town I think I've explained why Gamma is I think he'd get Gamma wrong here.

I don't understand how getting mislynched is supposed to make me see in high definition.

I was townreading Chemist and am willing to fight about it.

Alchemist is failing to meet low expectations here.

Who's scum besides TL, Alchemist?

I’d say it’s likely at least 1 scum is on my wagon right now.

Your vote is the least understandable to me. You’ve seen me be like this is Town before so why am I scummy to you for “failing to meet low expectations?”

I think my word choice is pretty clear that I'm indicating you're actually being even worse than starcraft.

I do actually like red!gamma better based on expectations vs. reality, but it's getting hard to deny that's a vanity wagon.

I mean pops' progression on gamma is pretty much shit-level, which makes a lot of sense coming from scumpartners. Pops sounded very determined to say that gamma was a better lynch than me and how much he was scummy but was never really committed to lynch him, instead choosing me as his main opportunistic/scapegoat target.

This could also true for TL, but i don't think TL is a scum neighborizer here.

Also:

Spoiler: salamence on gamma

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Still avoiding TL I see.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

...er. That could also work, they currently have very good associative potential (yeah, i like to work with pre-flip associatives, idc if you guys think they're satan) but i think bitmap has more individual scum equity right now.

No.

What's your "no" referring to? Bitmap being scum? Gamma being scum? Gamma and bitmap having associative potential? Working with associatives at all? Pops being town?

I have no interest in Gamma getting lynched today.

Pops should be voting TL but just keeps avoiding it until she got pressured.

What's the meaning of this SvS exchange if not to make gamma look like a less "viable" wagon than i was, therefore allowing pops to deviate from him?

Finally, well, gamma was on neither scum wagon. I would have expected one busser but i kinda agree with RC that we should lynch outside the wagons first.

[Bitmap]

RC said we should lynch Alchemist + Chemist today btw.

[Bitmap]

I wanna sheep the dead guy who nailed 2 scum.

[Farkran]

Why does no one ever give me any credit?

It's almost like i didn't immediately catch pops when she voted me, and i didn't push sala out of the window within 2 of his posts

But ok, this is not a competition, i also want to catch scum and chemist is in my PoE as well. Is there any reason to get chemist first besides sheeping RC?

[Bitmap]

Do we need any other reason besides sheeping RC?

Lets be real here.

[Bitmap]

I don't want to be town leader btw.

Farkran is a strong town read of mine for now at least due to the Sala interactions.

[Bitmap]

Prob Town:

me
TL - due to hood things
Farkran
Kerset - maybe??

[Farkran]

We have time anyways.

Why do you think you have been redirected, rather than strongmanned through, for instance?

[Bitmap]

We have time anyways.

Why do you think you have been redirected, rather than strongmanned through, for instance?

I would have died instead of RC? Like if they strongmanned, how am I still alive?

[Farkran]

We have time anyways.

Why do you think you have been redirected, rather than strongmanned through, for instance?

I would have died instead of RC? Like if they strongmanned, how am I still alive?

Reading the strongman description in ms wiki, strongman against bodyguarded target acts like the bg is roleblocked

[Alchemist21]

In Normal games at least, a Bodyguard doesn’t stop a Strongman.

[Alchemist21]

Bitmap you never answered if RC talked about using his abilities in the hood.

[Bitmap]

Bitmap you never answered if RC talked about using his abilities in the hood.

Evenstar

We have time anyways.

Why do you think you have been redirected, rather than strongmanned through, for instance?

I would have died instead of RC? Like if they strongmanned, how am I still alive?

Reading the strongman description in ms wiki, strongman against bodyguarded target acts like the bg is roleblocked

I see. I didn't know that honestly.

[Alchemist21]

Bitmap you never answered if RC talked about using his abilities in the hood.

Evenstar

We have time anyways.

Why do you think you have been redirected, rather than strongmanned through, for instance?

I would have died instead of RC? Like if they strongmanned, how am I still alive?

Reading the strongman description in ms wiki, strongman against bodyguarded target acts like the bg is roleblocked

I see. I didn't know that honestly.

Just Evenstar? His ability copied one players actions onto a second player. That needs at least 2 names.

[Bitmap]

He wanted to use it on himself.

[Farkran]

I'm in no way sure that a strongman magia is what we are looking for though. Also i don't know if pops was altrady their strongman - did her unwavering light ability also apply to factional kills?

I just asked because you seemed convinced that your ability was redirected specifically, instead of thinking of other possibilities.

V&M had redirecting abilities too, i don't think it's likely to have more of those but i could be wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: pops on gamma

I'm still not happy with Gamma's slot. Ontop of his sketchy read progression on Severa his tone just doesn't feel as townie as it usually does to me.
Farkran has a lot of scum equity, my hesitance to push their is paranoia about the popularity of the wagon (especially since he was L-1+intented in his first game as town) and a desire to play with him some more. He seems to care more about what people think about him or care more about being right rather than sorting and that gives me a feeling he might be scum.
The back up options are falling off a lot after that, because the rest of things I scumread tend to be mostly you.

Show me where you are using your own thoughts as opposed to move people up and down your internal readlist because so far i have only seen general consensus reads coming from you, which MIGHT be ok but i would expect at least some concern when your instinct leads you to vote already populated wagons rather than doubt the town-motivation of any of those wagons.

TL;DR please produce a detailed readlist with only your own thoughts.

This is where you call V&M a sheepy slot? And I don't think it's the only time?
I'm surprised you're trying to walk it back rather than trying to justify it.

I'm not sure why you're voting me. I've read you correctly 0/1 times, a BoP that town!pops would never misread you is silly. Do you not understand my reasoning for disliking your slot?
I think Alchemist, Gamma, and TL are all better lynches than you, or at least I did think that, but if you're just going immediately scumlock me for voting you and start speculating associatives there's not much ability to work with you here. The progression's not making sense to me.

Would it make you happier if I played, Eva? You did mention that laziness makes you sad earlier.

I will play if it makes you happy.
I assure you it won't make a big difference, but I do like you. You gave me an award.

pedit: Hm. I think I would use it on Gamma. I don't think he would be the likeliest to flip scum, but I think he's the most dangerous as scum, because I'm worried about how consistent Severa reads people who have lunged at him. I think TL, Alchemist, Bitmap, and Farkran* are scummy but Severa and the town as a unit can course correct them more easily.

There's this whole theory discussion about using vigs based on consensus even when consensus is wrong because you conclude mislynches before they actually have to happen, I'm undecided about that and don't want to think about it.

I don't know if Severa is misreading me, I don't know Severa's alignment.

If Severa is town I think I've explained why Gamma is I think he'd get Gamma wrong here.

I don't understand how getting mislynched is supposed to make me see in high definition.

I was townreading Chemist and am willing to fight about it.

Alchemist is failing to meet low expectations here.

Who's scum besides TL, Alchemist?

I’d say it’s likely at least 1 scum is on my wagon right now.

Your vote is the least understandable to me. You’ve seen me be like this is Town before so why am I scummy to you for “failing to meet low expectations?”

I think my word choice is pretty clear that I'm indicating you're actually being even worse than starcraft.

I do actually like red!gamma better based on expectations vs. reality, but it's getting hard to deny that's a vanity wagon.

I mean pops' progression on gamma is pretty much shit-level, which makes a lot of sense coming from scumpartners. Pops sounded very determined to say that gamma was a better lynch than me and how much he was scummy but was never really committed to lynch him, instead choosing me as his main opportunistic/scapegoat target.

This could also true for TL, but i don't think TL is a scum neighborizer here.

Also:

Spoiler: salamence on gamma

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Still avoiding TL I see.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

...er. That could also work, they currently have very good associative potential (yeah, i like to work with pre-flip associatives, idc if you guys think they're satan) but i think bitmap has more individual scum equity right now.

No.

What's your "no" referring to? Bitmap being scum? Gamma being scum? Gamma and bitmap having associative potential? Working with associatives at all? Pops being town?

I have no interest in Gamma getting lynched today.

Pops should be voting TL but just keeps avoiding it until she got pressured.

What's the meaning of this SvS exchange if not to make gamma look like a less "viable" wagon than i was, therefore allowing pops to deviate from him?

Finally, well, gamma was on neither scum wagon. I would have expected one busser but i kinda agree with RC that we should lynch outside the wagons first.

I can’t really refute the interactions but that VCA, holy fuck. YOU DO REALIZE I WAS VLA FOR THE FIRST WAGON, AND YOU GUYS DID THE SECOND ONE AT FULL SPEED? DO SOME FACT CHECKING DIPAHIT.