Mini 2110: I hate Mafia (Day 8)

[Farkran]

This game is good, because now you win if you get lynched, and if you lose, you get to play a lot more of the game!

On a completely unrelated note, I'm a Mime, please don't lynch me.

I am vanilla townie

We have two opposite claims here, one is obviously "stupid" (not in its offensive meaning, just that it makes no sense to scumclaim, so i assume the poster is either lying on purpose or being wifomy about it), the other is "lamisty".

I think this calls for the question: how do you think you should play pro-town in this game?

[Venmar]

...why didn't anyone selfvote yet?

probably because it's in the mime's interest to be lynched? its how they win?

highly sus the way this post was made

[Farkran]

So, change of plans, we'll lynch the vig on LYWIN. We could also have three other players to volunteer to never get lynched as long as a mime isn't killed. I guess I'll be one of them so I can explain how that works later on in the game.

Also, I think I just figured out how to break the setup.

I get the lywin vig lynch, but i don't get the other part. I think you mean we get to lywin with 1 vig + 3 volunteers + 3 other people. What if a mime volunteers?

[Farkran]

...why didn't anyone selfvote yet?

probably because it's in the mime's interest to be lynched? its how they win?

highly sus the way this post was made

It's also in the best interest of town, though? Anyways i was more wondering why no one thought of that, rather than suggesting everyone should

[Rautherdir]

Maybe. I need to think about it. On second thought it probably won't break the setup, but it might make it easier. It might also work better if the don't-lynch players are chosen by a vote instead of volunteering maybe?

p-edit
Because then it's Lynch and Win, instead of Lynch or Lose.

[Enter]

This game is good, because now you win if you get lynched, and if you lose, you get to play a lot more of the game!

On a completely unrelated note, I'm a Mime, please don't lynch me.

I am vanilla townie

We have two opposite claims here, one is obviously "stupid" (not in its offensive meaning, just that it makes no sense to scumclaim, so i assume the poster is either lying on purpose or being wifomy about it), the other is "lamisty".

I think this calls for the question: how do you think you should play pro-town in this game?

I think we need some of each.
I think narrowing down the pool of players open for a lynch is very beneficial for town, so both of these claims are pro-town, in my opinion.

[Venmar]

@farkran; yeah but if its in the best interest of both alignments then its a pointless gesture and doesn't prove anything other than getting townie points by trying to point it out

I am vanilla townie

This is probably town.

why not vote him then, do you actually think farkran is town?

[Venmar]

also rautherdir is town imo based on gut and how hes conducting himself,

vote: rautherdir

for now

[Enter]

...why didn't anyone selfvote yet?

probably because it's in the mime's interest to be lynched? its how they win?

highly sus the way this post was made

What agenda does this push?

How does this oppose a town win-con?

In what way is this scummy? Like, what do the Mimes get out of this post that town doesn't?

So, change of plans, we'll lynch the vig on LYWIN. We could also have three other players to volunteer to never get lynched as long as a mime isn't killed. I guess I'll be one of them so I can explain how that works later on in the game.

Also, I think I just figured out how to break the setup.

I get the lywin vig lynch, but i don't get the other part. I think you mean we get to lywin with 1 vig + 3 volunteers + 3 other people. What if a mime volunteers?

There are three mimes, so if a mime volunteers, then at least one of the three other people is town.

...why didn't anyone selfvote yet?

probably because it's in the mime's interest to be lynched? its how they win?

highly sus the way this post was made

It's also in the best interest of town, though? Anyways i was more wondering why no one thought of that, rather than suggesting everyone should

Right.

[Enter]

@farkran; yeah but if its in the best interest of both alignments then its a pointless gesture and doesn't prove anything other than getting townie points by trying to point it out

I am vanilla townie

This is probably town.

why not vote him then, do you actually think farkran is town?

I did?

also rautherdir is town imo based on gut and how hes conducting himself,

vote: rautherdir

for now

This is a bad vote, regardless of what alignment you think Rautherdir is.

[Enter]

Wait no I voted Farkran. Nvm.

No, I'm not moving my vote from Farkran to Gyro, Farkran seems townier based off first impressions.

[Rautherdir]

Actually, we should have 6 players (not including the vig) volunteer to not be the lynch for today.

[Venmar]

...why didn't anyone selfvote yet?

probably because it's in the mime's interest to be lynched? its how they win?

highly sus the way this post was made

What agenda does this push?

How does this oppose a town win-con?

In what way is this scummy? Like, what do the Mimes get out of this post that town doesn't?

its kind of pointless to use the "what do mimes get out of this post that town doesn't" because the way this game works means town and mimes will be acting virtually the same in their goals since its the goal of both to get lynched. fundamentally, pushing a town win-con is also pushing a mime win-con when that goal is getting lynched. so everything we do will benefit both.

therefore its more productive to look at the context of how someone acts instead rather than the action itself. in this case i think farkran trying to make voting for oneself look like a townie thing to do feels more like a mime trying to find a reason to look townie, rather than a townie trying to do the same. by comparison, i think rautherdir's approach has been more townie thinking than farkran since he's trying to plan out the game rather than find a way to make easy actions look inherently townie or mimey.

Wait no I voted Farkran. Nvm.

No, I'm not moving my vote from Farkran to Gyro, Farkran seems townier based off first impressions.

was farkran townier than gyro when you made your farkran vote?

[Enter]

...why didn't anyone selfvote yet?

probably because it's in the mime's interest to be lynched? its how they win?

highly sus the way this post was made

What agenda does this push?

How does this oppose a town win-con?

In what way is this scummy? Like, what do the Mimes get out of this post that town doesn't?

its kind of pointless to use the "what do mimes get out of this post that town doesn't" because the way this game works means town and mimes will be acting virtually the same in their goals since its the goal of both to get lynched. fundamentally, pushing a town win-con is also pushing a mime win-con when that goal is getting lynched. so everything we do will benefit both.

therefore its more productive to look at the context of how someone acts instead rather than the action itself. in this case i think farkran trying to make voting for oneself look like a townie thing to do feels more like a mime trying to find a reason to look townie, rather than a townie trying to do the same. by comparison, i think rautherdir's approach has been more townie thinking than farkran since he's trying to plan out the game rather than find a way to make easy actions look inherently townie or mimey.

I think you're either just attracted to one playstyle over another when we definitely need both, or you're intentionally trying to twist Farkran's NAI play into something AI. There is nothing in this post that makes Farkran's post look scummier (although you trying to push a post that's NAI certainly makes it look like you're trying to do so).

Wait no I voted Farkran. Nvm.

No, I'm not moving my vote from Farkran to Gyro, Farkran seems townier based off first impressions.

was farkran townier than gyro when you made your farkran vote?

...

Well, considering Gyro hadn't posted when I voted Farkran, yes.

How is the game only two pages and you still haven't caught up yet?

[Enter]

Venmar is making a terrible first impression.

[Farkran]

I kinda think rauth is town too, by the way. At this time it's mostly gutread and adjusting my mindset to how this game SHOULD be played, but i think providing advice about the vig has >rand chance to come from town.

I am also wondering what kind of lywin scenario we should aim at. The vig can conftown himself, so it's all good. About the others though, is it better to remove our highest townreads earlier or later? Removing them earlier may lead to a chaotic lywin, but removing them later means we risk killing mimes in the earlier stages.

If i think through this from a standard mafia game mindset, i'd probably vote my highest scumread rather than say "hey, i'm fairly sure you're scum, stay alive while i hunt for your partners". However, i'm not entirely sure that is the optimal strategy here. In a standard mafia game you may win before lylo, but here we can only lose before lywin - there's no benefit in trying to "accelerate" the pace by removing obvtown early.

Taking risks MIGHT make sense, on the other hand.

[Farkran]

its kind of pointless to use the "what do mimes get out of this post that town doesn't" because the way this game works means town and mimes will be acting virtually the same in their goals since its the goal of both to get lynched. fundamentally, pushing a town win-con is also pushing a mime win-con when that goal is getting lynched. so everything we do will benefit both.

therefore its more productive to look at the context of how someone acts instead rather than the action itself. in this case i think farkran trying to make voting for oneself look like a townie thing to do feels more like a mime trying to find a reason to look townie, rather than a townie trying to do the same. by comparison, i think rautherdir's approach has been more townie thinking than farkran since he's trying to plan out the game rather than find a way to make easy actions look inherently townie or mimey.

I kinda agree with this on a general basis, but as i said, i was more concerned about thinking why no one had done that. I mean i was expecting to enter this game seeing a RVS made of only selfvotes, to be honest. It is true that it advances both wincons, just as trying to stay alive advances both wincons in a standard mafia game. So why is no one here trying to die?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Hai guys, this game sounds like a hoot.

[Rautherdir]

But seriously, we need 4 other people (but not the vig) to volunteer to not get lynched today, and then I'll explain how this will work. I'm assuming Enter volunteered.

[Enter]

But seriously, we need 4 other people (but not the vig) to volunteer to not get lynched today, and then I'll explain how this will work. I'm assuming Enter volunteered.

Yes. I nominate Venmar to also be part of that group.

[Farkran]

I am leaning towards thinking that the survivor group should be composed of our highest townreads rather than volunteering. I think the benefits of killing our highest TRs later are better suited to this game. I am not opposed to being part of it though.

[Rautherdir]

But seriously, we need 4 other people (but not the vig) to volunteer to not get lynched today, and then I'll explain how this will work. I'm assuming Enter volunteered.

Yes. I nominate Venmar to also be part of that group.

This will probably work best if we only do self-nominations.

I am leaning towards thinking that the survivor group should be composed of our highest townreads rather than volunteering. I think the benefits of killing our highest TRs later are better suited to this game. I am not opposed to being part of it though.

There's a method to my madness, I'll explain it after people have volunteered.

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Wait why the fuck do we wanna lynch townies if thats the case.
Im mime pls

[Venmar]

I think you're either just attracted to one playstyle over another when we definitely need both, or you're intentionally trying to twist Farkran's NAI play into something AI. There is nothing in this post that makes Farkran's post look scummier (although you trying to push a post that's NAI certainly makes it look like you're trying to do so).

this is basically just you disagreeing with how im reading the game. you think farkran's post wasn't AI, which is dumb, whereas i think it was. pushing a playstyle/tactic while trying to imply that such an action would be AI, should tell you something about the player.

not to mention that you clearly think farkran is townie, so you thinking his first post being NAI doesn't make much sense, otherwise why would you vote him?

i've also already specified im focusing on the context behind the playstyle, not the playstyle or action itself. if you want to be dumb, then go for it.

Well, considering Gyro hadn't posted when I voted Farkran, yes.

this was actually poor wording by me, i apologize, but my intention was to point out that farkran had only made one post by the time gyro made his "townie" post. i was trying to gleam if you thought farkran's one singular post at the time was still townier than the gyro post you heralded as probably town.

[Venmar]

Venmar is making a terrible first impression.

lol it sucks to be you huh