Newbie 1971 [Game Over!]

[the worst]

vote count 1.03

Map Wolf (0) :
Kanna (2) : Map Wolf, Uncrowned
GayBabyJailor (0) :
Uncrowned (1) : Kanna
Non lmh (1) : GuiltyLion
King Olaph (0) :
GuiltyLion (1) : Non lmh
Menalque (1) : GayBabyJailor
skitter30 (1) : Menalque

not voting: King Olaph, skitter30

with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

day one will end automatically in (expired on 2019-12-14 11:30:00) or sooner if a lynch is achieved by majority.


mod notes:
- prodding GuiltyLion.
- skitter30 v/la weekends
- quack

[Uncrowned]

If you feel like I'm misrepresenting you, feel free to show me where you weren't vague in that post I referenced, and where you've done actual scumhunting.

[Uncrowned]

From looking back with your interactions with Map Wolf & Skitter I'm also seeing some attempt to appease, you seem worried about how people are perceiving you. More often than not I'd assume that a townie wouldn't care so much about defending themselves and would instead opt to find scum somewhere.

Scum on the other hand? A D1 lynch for either them or their buddy spells disaster for their team, whereas for town it's not AS big of a deal. Worst case scenario you lose a PR, best case scenario you lynch a townie, confirm a slot, and gain some info from the previous day anyway.

You being new can throw some of this out of the window but I'm more lead to believe that you're not liking this pressure being put on you right now, hence the retaliatory vote and the weak "you're shading me" comment.

[Kanna]

I'm not saying your not justified to think I'm scum - I understand I haven't been very helpful. I also can't prove it, but I am trying my best.

The reason I voted you is because of those posts in particular.

I

think you're shading me.

[Uncrowned]

I'm confused.

So you think I'm fine to call you scum, and be one of the few players in this game to actively be searching for scum at this point in the game... but you think it's not genuine?

You're going to have to either point me in the direction of someone else or make a decent case of where I've misrepresented your posts or something, because you're not making me feel anymore comfortable about your slot atm.

[Non lmh]

V/LA 90h starting from now

birthday yesterday, making a thing out of it for the weekend))

[Non lmh]

you should prepare yourself for when lion comes back crown

[Uncrowned]

I'm not really concerned with that slot atm I think he made a decent case for himself as town for the time being

[skitter30]

So ideally then you'd want to put your vote on someone to at least attempt to generate discussion about that slot.

I think you're being a little vague and that might indicate that you're not taking scumhunting all that seriously.

Again i'm confused why you're attributing this to scumminess and not newbness

[skitter30]

So the reason why I said that you were "probably scum" is because of the lack of any reaction to my kind of out there vote.

I dont really think the lack of reaction is ai

[skitter30]

If you feel like I'm misrepresenting you, feel free to show me where you weren't vague in that post I referenced, and where you've done actual scumhunting.

I agree she was vague. Dont really agree that she's not done any scumhunting

Very much dont agree that this is scum indicative in this context

[skitter30]

From looking back with your interactions with Map Wolf & Skitter I'm also seeing some attempt to appease, you seem worried about how people are perceiving you.

Um i'm seeing neither appeasement nor that she's worried about how people see her, wherw do you see that.

I kinda feeling like you're acknowledging a benign explanation for her behavior (being inexperienced), but choosing to call her scum for it anyways

[Map Wolf]

To respond, I thought your vote was a joke. Why would I react? And ok? So do you scumread me or not? What?

I don't know if I would expect you to react. Do I scumread you? No.

[Map Wolf]

So the reason why I said that you were "probably scum" is because of the lack of any reaction to my kind of out there vote.

I dont really think the lack of reaction is ai

I was more hoping for some kind of potential scumslip.

[skitter30]

From calling her 'probably scum'? Or from the initial vote?

Also happy birthday!

Also reminder i am very vla on weekends, i wont really be around today until tomorrow night

[Map Wolf]

From calling her 'probably scum'? Or from the initial vote?

Also happy birthday!

Also reminder i am very vla on weekends, i wont really be around today until tomorrow night

From both.

Also, thank you!

[skitter30]

I kinda think kanna is lowkey townie tbh
I feel like she'a ~trying~ even though she doesnt exactly understand what she's supposed to be doing

She's also self-aware enough to understand why the way she's playing might be perceived as scummy, but isnt really changing her playstyle on purpose to avoid that

I dont really like uncrowned's push on her, i feel like he's choosing to present her actions in an unnecessarily negative light (i.e. assuming she's scummy when she might just be new), and is also accusing her of things that i dont see happening (i.e. saying shes trying to appease me/map wolf)

[GuiltyLion]

hi everybody - I've received the prod. yesterday I had no time for mafia and I still haven't read any posts since I was last here, but later today I plan to spend some time on this game. As for quick thoughts, I looked at the latest VC and it's a little worrying we don't have any real wagons yet, I originally TR both skitter & Menalque so the fact that skitter is not voting and Menalque is voting skitter is a part of the problem haha. I'll read up this afternoon and do a lot more, pinky promise.

[the worst]

Prodding GayBabyJailer

[Menalque]

Long day gonna catch up/be around tomorrow

@GL I actually just still on skitt from RVS although I do think she’s a lil lowkey scummy but I think I’ll feel better after interacting with her

Either way, not rly interested in lynching her today unless she becomes v scummy

UNVOTE:

[GayBabyJailor]

sorry guys ive been at work all day :/

i'll VOTE: olaph for when they get replaced in

[Uncrowned]

@Skit

If she felt like I was misrepping I asked her to show me where so I could reevauluate, nowhere have I been closed minded and said it's not possible she's just new town.

Why are you so against pushes instead of letting them play out?

[GuiltyLion]

If you weren't, I think you'd have had a more calm entry without jumping on someone in RVS immediately. If you were in Non Imh's position, what kind of "engagement" would you have made with Mena on P1 if you were voting for them? It just seems like an odd thing to bring up without much merit to it.

idk if this is still relevant, but I was just thinking any kind of engagement to Menalque's posts at all? Like,

some

kind of acknowledgment of the fact that he had posted and possibly a joke in reply to his joke, or something. It was just weird to me to vote someone as your entry into the game without saying anything to or about them.

also, no, I don't think my post was over-explainy, just explainy, giving a reason for my vote. What was over-explainy in Chen's intro was that he was trying to justify a vote on a slot that hadn't posted at all and also said he was "waiting for inactives" literally 2 posts into the game. That is over-explaining.

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Lion

any scumreads outside of me/skit?

I wasn't scumreading skitter - why do you think I was?

[GuiltyLion]

overall on the Uncrowned vs Kanna page 5 argument, I don't see anything scummy in Kanna's behavior - for a total newbie I thought her townreads were fine and well justified.

this in particular is a bad stretch:

Judging by how threatened you seem by this "bad faith" I'm assuming I'm right.

if Kanna is town, it's completely reasonable to think that someone arguing you are playing like scum is bad faith. She even called out the points in particular she thought were bad. And I don't think she came across as threatened as all - I'm having a hard time thinking Uncrowned genuinely thought Kanna was all that threatened here.