Newbie 1967 | GAME OVER

[Flavor Leaf]

I wanna do some analysis on the other way around, but I’m like 96% sure that the team is Skitter and the JK claim after thinking about it.

Lynch JK, track Skitter, doc tracker.

If Skitter’s not scum, then they get inno’d, and that’s good too.

What happens when I flip town?

This is why I’m not voting you or anything right now.

I haven’t been able to read the early game, so I wanna do that before I make any further decisions.

If you’re town, then the doc is scum.

I’m currently thinking about this in terms of slots rather than players, if that makes sense, as I technically haven’t read much, but I’m gathering the base surface before digging deeper.

If you’re actually a JK, then Doctor is scum, and we have a tracker...or Friendly Neighbor...? I believe

[Flavor Leaf]

Or a VT.

Damn.

Okay, so scum know the column we’re in.

I think we mass claim here.

Scum already know exactly what setup we’re in.

And a doctor/jk is claimed. The second PR, if they exist, are safe.

I’m obviously VT.

[Flavor Leaf]

If the jk is scum, scum know we have a doctor and a cop or a doctor and a tracker.

If the doc is scum, scum know we have a JK/tracker, JK/FN, or just a JK.

[Karnage]

Who can tell me what's missing from this claim/counterclaim sequence?

I guess I'll answer this myself since everybody is who knows where when we have a chance to solve the fucking game right now

Why isn't non voting me?

[Non lmh]

there is no jk/cop or jk/doc town setup
if the jk flips green,,
scum team of me/copbird will be outed and lynched d3/4 for an easy town win

would rather she clarify if she's a copbird or trackerbird before anyone else claims or votes

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t feel like Nom knows setup analysis well enough to claim doctor there, so if he did, it’s coming from someone who can.

[Flavor Leaf]

Which would probably mean we’re in JK/Tracker setup if that were the case

[Non lmh]

that was the point,, karnage cannot get out of today's lynch without a tracker claim in play, so she's waiting for it

[Non lmh]

I'll be V/LA this weekend

[Naerys]

RN i am inclined to believe Karnage tbh, and Non is suspicious.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh ya lol.

OK, I have a guilty on Karnage.
VOTE: Karnage

Don't hammer or put to L1.

Slow your roll for a minute my feathery friend

I'm the JK - I don't know what non and FL were trying to pull off but VOTE: Flavor Leaf

those are good questions...

i'm guessing bird is the tracker as I JK'd flavor leaf last night. the fact that non and FL seemed to KNOW that FL was targeted makes me thing FL was the one that was sent for the kill. so I've got my choice of non and FL.

since we are in column A scum has a RB. i know when I'm scum I like to send one guy to do both actions when possible to minimize the chances of being tracked. if thats the case here, FL is the roleblocker and should be lynched first

With this series of posting, why is Karnage the one you are leaning town on?

[Flavor Leaf]

update

rc is town

fine, I saved rc
VOTE: skit

noon question, is it possible for there to be both a jk and doc in this setup?

for posterity's sake, don't misspell words
softclaimed on my very first day
there is no jk in this setup

This adds up. I believe Non is Doctor. They basically claimed it in their first post this day phase, and I don’t think that they do that as scum who just had a kill blocked. From their posts and questioning, I don’t see ScumNon straight up asking for a 1v1 here when the alternative is to just not say anything regarding it.

Also, a tracker claim did come out on Karnage, and that had Karnage claim, which proves that our Tracker is 100% legit.

This is a direct 1v1 between Karnage and Non.

The play here is to lynch Karnage.

If Karnage flips red, Non, you are 100% on the tracker. You can’t be blocked because we’d be in the rolecop scenario.

Tracker - you target Skitter. Skitter will be forced to make a kill or no kill if scum, and if she’s town, a kill will clear her. A No kill will either mean Skitter was being setup to take a fall or she no kills to make it seem like she’s being setup. We can eventually POE the game out from this

[Flavor Leaf]

noon question, is it possible for there to be both a jk and doc in this setup?

This is not scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Karnage is actually doing a really good job at pointing out flaws in Non’s posting, however, his downfall is that’s exactly what he’s doing.

Karnage isn’t scum casing Non, he’s pointing out the misplays in Non’s play, the stuff he should be doing as town, but isn’t. He’s making a lynch case rather than a scum case. This is why I’m much more likely to believe Non over Karnage.

Non
Lovebird

Skitter
George
Naerys
Fdse

Karnage

Middle tier isn’t ordered, top tier is even.

I actually think I might be able to split up the middle tier more.

Fdse
Naerys
Skitter
George

Yeah, that’s the order I’d put them in. Least likely to most likely the partner for Karnage.

My gut’s telling me Skitter’s town here, and I think I’m right to follow that, but paranoia has me still.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, there’s no scum advantage to Non claiming to have saved me.

Just so you guys know, I have won 10 scum games in the year of 2019. I think a lot of it is due to my ability to actively force 1v1’s and interact with players. I don’t believe I’m interacting with players here moreso than just putting a puzzle together, hopefully you can see that.

This being said, if I were scum as Karnage is trying to push, that necessitates Non and I as the hypothetical scum team having Non claim doctor over me.

That just gives up 2 scum members which don’t make no snence.

It’s Karnage, and one of George, Naerys, Skitter

[Non lmh]

Official Vote Count 2.01

Lynching

With 8 living players it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Non lmh (1):

Fdse

skitter30 (1):

Non lmh

Not Voting (6):

Naerys, GeorgeBailey, Karnage, Lovebird, skitter30, Flavor Leaf

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-12-12 15:30:00)

Mod notes:

n/a.[/area]

Sorry Leaf, time's up.
will the fake tracker please claim now please?)

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, lovebird claimed before Karnage.

[Fdse]

I will return in about four or so hours. I apologize for not responding yesterday; I was urgently needed to deal with things.

[Fdse]

VOTE: Non

Although, this is scum. I am actually the Doctor who saved RC.

[Fdse]

I can only assume my predecessor was attempting to look scummy to avoid dying.

[Karnage]

@FL

you want me to make a scum case against non? I've been scumreading that slot from the time I subbed into the game. So if you want to know why I've scum read that you could actually go back and read the game.

My goal was not to outright counterclaim non until I absolutely had to but lovebird tracking me forced my hand. you've got it all figured out for my slot flipping scum but what's the plan for when I flip town? if you're not non's partner you need ready for that.

p-edit: wut

[Naerys]

Sorry i was busy.
oh wonderful, we have another doctor.
And since i am confused i need to re-read all this stuff again.

[Karnage]

Sorry i was busy.
oh wonderful, we have another doctor.
And since

i am confused i need to re-read all this stuff again.

you and me both

[Naerys]

Well,i can see some possibilities of scum teams -

Karnage+Fdse (i´ll have kinda hard time believing that bugspray was doc, its just...weird)
Karnage+ Non Imh - perhaps this is bit overthinking tho - idk if scum would stage this
Non Imh + flavor leaf
flavor leaf + fdse

Karnage+Flavor leaf is very unlikely, but that would be kinda dangerous combination imho xD

[Naerys]

I consider skitter and Lovebird townies
and GeorgeBailey idk...bit unreadable to me