Mini 615: The Eclipse- Game!

[armlx]

What do you have to say for yourself? Your vote was on X too, the 5 of us were wrong. X was the scummiest player yesterday and as a result was lynched. Luckily, he didn't use his shot, so we have another hunter out there.

Umm, way to not respond to 90% of the reasons everyone thought you were scummy yesterday? Your hammer on xyzzy was only the last of a long series of arguments.

[icemanE]

Umm, way to not respond to 90% of the reasons everyone thought you were scummy yesterday? Your hammer on xyzzy was only the last of a long series of arguments.

I guess I'll have to look back at yesterday. I thought I answered everything. Whether or not the answers satisfied you is another issue, and I'm not going to go out of my way to appease you, as I think your whole case on me yesterday was built on opportunism, and is obviously unfounded. Obviously I expected votes from you and Darox today, and my suspicion of the two of you carries into today as well. However:

I don't like this much:

I'm starting to become suspicious of how much Darox disregards the town's capability of lynching the DK.

FoS: Darox

and

vote: IcemanE

. Even though if Darox is scum, there's a fair chance IcemanE isn't, (as they've been enemies throughout the game,) I still feel as though putting IcemanE one vote away from getting lynched may reveal something interesting.

Actually, that was a dumb move. unvote, vote: Darox I'd rather speculate on the IcemanE wagon until it's lynch time.

That indecision, in combination with this:

All the same, I can see where iceman is coming from; it's a valid point that I would probably take into consideration if it wasn't me.

...is enough for a

vote: windkirby

I'm comfortable voting now that my three biggest suspects have already placed votes.

[armlx]

Your level of OMGUS is about a 9 now Iceman.

[icemanE]

Your level of OMGUS is about a 9 now Iceman.

It looks like OMGUS because I'm more or less the center of attention right now, and I'm not going to not vote for someone solely to avoid looking OMGUS. If someone acted as strangely as wind just did I'd be suspicious of them regardless of their target.

[armlx]

Your points dont really stand as he still notes suspicion of darox.

[icemanE]

Your points dont really stand as he still notes suspicion of darox.

How does that change anything? You're nitpicking. You simply can't see a response of mine stand unchallenged and so you have to come up with stuff like that.

[Awesome Pants]

Gah, sorry for not posting, my internet got shot in the foot. Anyway, I was thinking about the events of yesterday and what would've happened if xy claimed before we lynched him..

If he had, we would obviously have not lynched him and chances are we would've probably lynched a townie. That'd mean the DK would've gone into night knowing who the hunter was, and probably would've recruited someone who wasn't the townie rather than killing the hunter.

Hmm.. I think the DK knowing who the hunter is at this stage of the game could be bad town. If the DK knows then he can keep him alive through the game and never recruit him. On the other hand, the town would have at least one cleared innocent that, for as long as he/she was alive, would be protown. I think that'd be good in a way.

If the hunter didn't claim, then the DK wouldn't know and could possibly kill him during the night rather than recruiting someone. At this stage of the game, that'd mean that we'd either come into d3 at 2/3 (if we mislynched) or 3/2 (if we correctly lynched). Alternatively, if the hunter didn't get killed we'd come into d3 at 2/4 (if we mislynched) or 3/3 (if we lynch correctly).

That 2/4 is a bit worrying, but I suppose so is the 2/3. I guess at least with the DK claiming before he's about to get lynched we have another shot at hitting scum. Overall I'm not totally sure, but I think we should make a plan before we lynch again. Both paths imo have their advantages and disadvantages.

[armlx]

How does that change anything? You're nitpicking. You simply can't see a response of mine stand unchallenged and so you have to come up with stuff like that.

My point is his posts aren't a complete 180 like you are saying. Even if they were, thats more indicative of a recruit then the DK.

Pants:

Hunter claims are bad as recruiting > NK.

[icemanE]

My point is his posts aren't a complete 180 like you are saying.

I'm not saying they're a complete 180. I'm saying he's unsure of his vote and as such is moving it around, which to me looks scummy - it seems like he's trying to avoid looking like he's bandwagoning.

Even if they were, thats more indicative of a recruit then the DK.

Can you explain what this means? When did I say I thought he was the DK?

Are you the DK arm? Is he your recruit? I don't understand.

[icemanE]

Hunter claims are bad as recruiting > NK.

Also, why are recruits better than NKs? I think the opposite. One more dead is one less suspect - and therefore one less person for the hunter to have to choose from when its time to shoot.

[armlx]

Can you explain what this means? When did I say I thought he was the DK?

You didn't, I was merely making a point how a large shift in opinions could be indicative of an alignment shift.

Also, why are recruits better than NKs? I think the opposite. One more dead is one less suspect - and therefore one less person for the hunter to have to choose from when its time to shoot.

Hunter claims are bad because they automatically let the cult recruit every night, which is worse for us then them hitting the Hunter at night for the NK. Sorry if my abbreviated version of this was confusing.

[windkirby]

I don't like this much:

I'm starting to become suspicious of how much Darox disregards the town's capability of lynching the DK.

FoS: Darox

and

vote: IcemanE

. Even though if Darox is scum, there's a fair chance IcemanE isn't, (as they've been enemies throughout the game,) I still feel as though putting IcemanE one vote away from getting lynched may reveal something interesting.

Actually, that was a dumb move. unvote, vote: Darox I'd rather speculate on the IcemanE wagon until it's lynch time.

That indecision, in combination with this:

All the same, I can see where iceman is coming from; it's a valid point that I would probably take into consideration if it wasn't me.

...is enough for a

vote: windkirby

I figured at least one person would chase me for that. Well my plan was to put a vote on you and see who was wigging out a little, as I slightly suspect you to be Demon King. However, then I realized that wigger-outers could just be townies concerned that they didn't want a quicklynch day 2. Furthermore, if a quicklynch really

did

happen, I wouldn't be fond of it either. Finally, I had already said in that post, rather stupidly, that my vote was there to test reactions, therefore somewhat nullifying its effect. So all in all, my vote on you was a bit ineffective/dangerous overall, so I decided to explore my options and vote for the other player who I also had my eye on after a recent reread.

[Norinel]

Vote Count

icemanE - 2 (armlx, Darox)
Darox- 1 (windkirby)
windkirby - 1 (icemanE)

Not voting (3): Awesome Pants, Bogre, Jaguar

[Bogre]

VOTE: IcemanE

You are something scum.

[Darox]

Another post from Darox.

I don't get what windkirby is trying to say at all.

I'm not focusing on the route assuming that we lynch the DK because if that happens, we win. What do we need tactics and calculations for if we lynch the DK?

We lynch the scummist people in order to hopefully kill off as many cultists as possible to make the end game easier for the hunter. If we lynch the DK, well, thats the game over, good job town.

Lynching the DK is just an added potential bonus to following the cultist hunting strat.

[windkirby]

Okay, well when you put it like that, I see what you're saying. It seemed to me like you could be the DK or a cultist very confident that the DK wouldn't get lynched. But seeing the DK lynch as a bonus makes sense.

unvote

[icemanE]

VOTE: IcemanE

You are something scum.

Lol.

So we have 3 scum today and I have 4 suspects. The hunter is going to be screwed tomorrow If you lynch me. Especially if you let players like Bogre slide under the radar. I've explained why I was suspicious of his yesterday, and this lurkvote makes me even more so.

Okay, well when you put it like that, I see what you're saying. It seemed to me like you could be the DK or a cultist very confident that the DK wouldn't get lynched. But seeing the DK lynch as a bonus makes sense. unvote

We had this discussion yesterday. And what really doesn't make sense about this post is that you say:

It seemed to me like you could be the DK or a cultist

and then you unvote him. and the only reason you give for unvoting him is that it would be a bonus to lynch the DK. What the hell is that? I'm confident in my vote now.

[Jaguar]

My apologies for not contributing. I've not had a chance to reread and today is looking sketchy as well. Will try to get something either late today or tomorrow. Hellishly busy with RL (work, cousing dying over the weekend, etc).

[windkirby]

We had this discussion yesterday.

Please show me where.

And what really doesn't make sense about this post is that you say:

It seemed to me like you could be the DK or a cultist

and then you unvote him.

Hey, how about we don't splice apart my sentences so that they're not misrepresented? I figured a townie would figure that the DK could be caught, whereas

if

Darox was part of the scum group, a confidence in no one suspecting him yet could give him the mindset that the DK wouldn't be caught. This was really the main reason I was suspicious of him. His explanation of the way he was thinking made sense and satisfied me, and so I unvoted him.

[icemanE]

Hey, how about we don't splice apart my sentences so that they're not misrepresented?

OK.

It seemed to me like you could be the DK or a cultist very confident that the DK wouldn't get lynched.

There's the full sentence. It still means the exact same thing. The second part of it was uneccesary as it only served to elaborate on WHY you thought he might be a cultist.

I figured a townie would figure that the DK could be caught, whereas if Darox was part of the scum group, a confidence in no one suspecting him yet could give him the mindset that the DK wouldn't be caught.

I still have no idea what this means. How did his explanation that killing scum, whether cult or DK, is worth it, erase your suspicion of him? Why were you suspicious of him in the first place - your explanation is that you were suspicious of him for doubting that we could lynch the DK - why is that suspicious? This is what made me initially suspicious of you - that's a crappy reason to vote someone, and it seems like the only reason you unvoted me and voted him was to appear as if you weren't just bandwagoning me, and you came up with a bizarre and weak reason to transfer your vote in order to do that, and I think you're distancing from Darox at the same time, since you removed your vote from him so quickly and easily.

[icemanE]

As far as where we had that discussion yesterday, myself, armlx, and Darox talked about it for like a full page.

[armlx]

So the lack of hammering tells us either all 3 of me, Darox, and Bogre are cult, or Iceman is the DK, as otherwise a cult member would have just hammered and moved the game into the AITP phase.

[icemanE]

So the lack of hammering tells us either all 3 of me, Darox, and Bogre are cult, or Iceman is the DK

OK, there it is. Which of you is the DK? That's who I'd like to lynch.

unvote

[armlx]

So the lack of hammering tells us either all 3 of me, Darox, and Bogre are cult, or Iceman is the DK

OK, there it is. Which of you is the DK? That's who I'd like to lynch.

unvote

You are. Thats the point.

[icemanE]

You are. Thats the point.

That's the point you were implying, I realize that. But the funny thing is that you admitted the truth in the first part of your statement.

Anyways, I think Bogre was the recruit from last night, which leaves you and Darox as potential DKs. It's a tough choice. I'll go back to my thinking from yesterday.

vote: armlx