Mini Normal 2109 | Newbie Quotes II: Newb Boogaloo (Day 3)

[Joey_]

Rb, your reads sucks this game, are you mefia?

[alimdia]

I need to ask moving forward,

is the accepted meta doing posts per thing you're responding too, or doing big wall texts? Historically, I've done wall texts, but it also gives me an incredibly low post count -- but reading Ethos/Dolly/Tris doing it, makes me wonder if I'm playing this wrong?

Thanks

I recommend multiple smaller posts, but also read up completely first. I do responses on notepad++ then paste them in after finish reading if they're not obselete by then

BTW to anyone who actually cares, reading Ark's games shows a good portrait of what player she can be

brah I don't have time rn to read Ark's other games. I'm already low key mad eth0s is claiming off town meta as the main case against me. My frustration with fluffing the thread is real I say, look at post 435. The game I'm talking about actually ended btw, its Micro 900 where I was pushing for the person that was perpetually catching up and posting fluff. Also.. they were actually scum.
But also, I hate using meta but I felt like I had to defend himself here.

UNVOTE: both my leads ended up colder than expected

Quoting this so I can find it later after some flips... That was quite an about turn.

[Joey_]

Imo wake is now obvious scum

Dolly and jake are TvsT almost always

[alimdia]

Caught up to pg. 12. Still getting caught up.

I like rb's play as town. Dont think I agree on the thing from invis being a slip though. Was definitely bad, and the fact that he was voting there and kept voting there is weird, maybe I'm wrong on this, but I don't think this is a scumslip.
When LUV came in it made me question my early read of invisibility. I'm gonna have to look those first few pages over. But I wanna know why he had the most to say abo uh t invisibility but ended up voting Dolly.

Gonna have some more questions when I finish, but invis, explain what you meant by saying you love when town self-votes and if you thought Jake was town there, why were you still voting there?
Dolly's joke mason claim (@invis - it also may draw a cc which is what makes it scummy, I honestly dont get a town motivation from a mason fakeclaim) coupled with her strange early play around a couple of wagons, hopping on after others have hopped on using reasoning that she could have used to be the first to hop on, this is mainly about Sausarex, makes me have real concerns about her slot. AMD I'm not getting many townie vibes. Her defense to the jokeclaim concerns was to say it made Wake obvtown, but I dont know how it accomplished that. I actually like wakes response to her calling him obvtown as a result, but Dolly is pinging me hard.

Jake's play is bad. Rb is saying it's bad not scummy, but I'm seeing alot of shade and not a whole hell of a lot of attempting to find town. His top townread being sausarex really stuck out (I like Alimdia, but not more than a couple of other people) at the time he did that huge wall didnt make alot of sense to me. The selfvote and behavior under pressure certainly didnt read town to me.

So far liking joey. Dont know why he thinks Jake town told in his first three posts though.

How come I had 0 mention in your catch up but got a 'I like alimdia' near the end?

Tris just jumped on the 4th spot on me. Statistics dictate that slot is filled by scum over ~65%.

And with a "placeholder" vote there, now who is positioning?

Alim is the only I trust not to vote me. Alim gets it.

Wake and rb are smart enough as TOWN to not vote me yet and let scum fill that spot.

uh.....

Ok.

@Everyone

I want to DUEL Jake for the D1 lynch. I want everyone to choose a side. Nothing personal. Just promise to lynch Jake tomorrow after I flip VT.

Also why did you claim when you weren't at L1.
Also, why did jake CLAIM AS WELL?

[SausasaurusRex]

Imo wake is now obvious scum

What makes you say that?

[Joey_]

Also alim thats a ridiculous shade, 477 is basically me unvoting ark after she answered my post, theres nothing uncommon or noteworthy

[Joey_]

Imo wake is now obvious scum

What makes you say that?

Reads

[alimdia]

Imo wake is now obvious scum

Dolly and jake are TvsT almost always

Guessing cos of the fluff posts initially? If not can you explain
It looked like you guys voted him after his night nurse comment.

[Joey_]

The table can’t understand when I explain stuff so i diubt theyd understand if I explained my wake read, so ill leave it at that

[SausasaurusRex]

The table can’t understand when I explain stuff so i diubt theyd understand if I explained my wake read, so ill leave it at that

People failing to understand reads is always better than having them suspicious of you for having seemingly no reasons. You should explain it anyway.

[Joey_]

Imo wake is now obvious scum

Dolly and jake are TvsT almost always

Guessing cos of the fluff posts initially? If not can you explain
It looked like you guys voted him after his night nurse comment.

You guys = joey

Also, i voted wake on a quick reread because my sauce/ark leads ended up cold, like i said. It has nothing to do with wake’s lastest post at the time i voted them

[Joey_]

The table can’t understand when I explain stuff so i diubt theyd understand if I explained my wake read, so ill leave it at that

People failing to understand reads is always better than having them suspicious of you for having seemingly no reasons. You should explain it anyway.

Im universally townreads and moreso when dolly or jake flips town

[Joey_]

And/or when wake flips scum

[Joey_]

I am probably flipping rb at some point too with how hes been playing

[SausasaurusRex]

The table can’t understand when I explain stuff so i diubt theyd understand if I explained my wake read, so ill leave it at that

People failing to understand reads is always better than having them suspicious of you for having seemingly no reasons. You should explain it anyway.

Im universally townreads and moreso when dolly or jake flips town

And/or when wake flips scum

Neither of these explain your reasoning.

[Joey_]

The table can’t understand when I explain stuff so i diubt theyd understand if I explained my wake read, so ill leave it at that

People failing to understand reads is always better than having them suspicious of you for having seemingly no reasons. You should explain it anyway.

Im universally townreads and moreso when dolly or jake flips town

And/or when wake flips scum

Neither of these explain your reasoning.

I never meant to explain it, i explained why i wasnt gonna explain it

[SausasaurusRex]

If you think Wake is scum, you need to get people to vote him. Which means you need to convince them to vote him. Which means providing reasoning is in your best interests. Otherwise, Wake will continue to live, which is presumably not what you want.

[Joey_]

Also it implied that reasoning is a mean to an end in trying to find my alignement, correct? My answers says you guys are already correct in reading me, thus the explaining itself is not useful to find my alignement. The explaining is not useful either since yall can’t read anyway

[Joey_]

If you think Wake is scum, you need to get people to vote him. Which means you need to convince them to vote him. Which means providing reasoning is in your best interests. Otherwise, Wake will continue to live, which is presumably not what you want.

Not a bad point, but I have a trumpcard

[Joey_]

Also being a little anti-town has it perks, its easier to read the game than when you are townread by scum

[Joey_]

Ill give you something to chew on tho, because you insisted and it's an easy to understand point

[Joey_]

Please don't hammer anyone yet. I'm still combing through the game thread and writing up a Reads List.

Guys, please NO hammering yet. I'm still typing up my Reads List.

alimdia

Please tell me again why you're voting Invisibility in 171. 203: Do you think rb could be Scum and is tunneling Dolly? I agree with the first half of 208, but I'd like you to guess as to why I don't agree with your second half of it. On 218 I think we should talk more about you thinking Dolly should be Townread regarding rb's behavior. I like that you also caught that in 257; want to join me in pressuring this? Not sure I like your 331... Also, why did you join on Jake's wagon in 341? I too would like to see Invisibility expand on 380.

Arkias

You seem eager to find a reason in 254 to join the Invisibility wagon. I like 402 because I agree with all of it. 443: It can be whatever; don't let people tell you how to play the game. Could you please briefly explain your gut-vote in 455?

Billy Pilgrim

491: Regarding Dolly, Invisibility, and Jake, who would you vote if you had to, and why? I think the better reason to vote Dolly would be 442, Billy, if she doesn't explain herself.

Can you tell me what doesn't work with 545/574 VS 587/596?

Dolly Parton

Not particularly liking your 151. For the record meta-wise, I never do Mason claims. Although I am still curious why you would target me for that claim. 184: In no way does that make me ObvTown, and I don't think it's reasonable for Town-You to really have that notion this early in the game. I agree with 199. You know, for someone being Scumread for a fake Mason claim, you appear eager to vote Invisibility for a perceived Scumslip (228). 231: I don't like this. 414: What? I REALLY don't like 442, and I could hammer you right now for it but I want an explanation from you on this. Please explain 514. 515: Noted. Somehow I'm not convinced by 523. I don't like the "reasoning" behind 556. I need you to thoroughly respond to 558 please.

eth0s

I don't like your vote in 96 because to me it feels opportunistic. Do you currently support Jake's lynch? Regarding 421, how are you reading him currently? On 433 I don't think he's had a completed Scum-game yet, so we don't know alimdia's Scum-meta. 434: Alimdia should not be above scrutiny, and Uzi has done barely anything this game.

Invisibility

Not liking your 122. Sarcasm rarely translates well on text. I agree with 277; a joke Mason claim does not a Scum make. Please tell me more your reasoning behind 379. I like 440. 454: A good question, and not a fair thing to really ask, especially during Day 1.

Jake The Wolfie

Please tell me again how Invisibility was quicklynching you in 95. I do however like your response to eth0s in 98. Only Scum self-votes to help themselves, so as Town you should never do that in 102. 111: Are you new to Mafia? I agree with 244. I also agree with 269. I can't agree with 405. I agree there hasn't been much from that slot wrt 411. I agree with 533, in that Dolly does appear to be doing a lot of shade-throwing.

Joey_

Please elaborate on 224. 225: That presumes you assume he is Town, which is knowledge you should not be having if you are Town. You should make it not a secret regarding 509, Joey.

Lil Uzi Vert

OK, I do not like 264, because you are way too quick to join the wagon: I want to know why

you

are voting Dolly. I can agree with 450.

I need to hear more from you, Uzi.

rb

I'm not that convinced it was a slip, rb (142). I wouldn't mind seeing Rex pressured more. So confident you seem in 147. I'm liking the latter half of 156. Unsure the reason for the Dolly vote in 161 but I'm assuming it was a reaction test. I find your overconfidence in 180 disturbing: you know Town is not informed, so if you're uninformed confidence is not something you should have (especially during the early part of Day 1). 181: Obviously if they were to flip Scum you would deal with the consequences. I don't recall getting a reaction from you regarding my 185. 196 seems completely unnecessary. In regards to 213, alimdia shouldn't be Townreading Dolly for that. 221: I'm still not convince Invisibility Scum-slipped, although I've been wrong before. I like that you picked up on that in 272. Regarding 289 I still think pressuring Rex is a good idea.

SausasaurusRex

How well do you fare under pressure as Scum? Your vote on Dolly regarding the fakeclaim is, to me, opportunistic. In 179 you meant fake-claim, not counter-claim, correct...? OK, you corrected yourself. I need you to be very specific regarding why you switched your vote from Dolly to Invisibility in 347. I agree with 382. 503: Good question. Not sure how to read 564.

tris

I agree with 315. I don't agree at all with 349, however. Are you saying in 351 it does or doesn't? I think we should hear more from eth0s in general wrt 381. I can't agree with you on 383: sometimes it's way too difficult to sort players, especially early on. 394 I do agree with.

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alimdia

Arkias

Billy Pilgrim

Dolly Parton

eth0s

Invisibility

Jake The Wolfie

Joey_

Lil Uzi Vert

rb

SausasaurusRex

tris

yeah im not reading that

if i have to follow a link and a link and another link in a post just to make it make sense, im not convinced the writer of the post is trying to be understood and will assume they're just doing busy work to look good without doing anything actually useful

i don't particularly care to lynch wake at this point

i also don't particularly care if he is lynched

Ah, so you're Scum or lazy Town.

I dislike people like that. They ask for reads and thoughts, you spend your time on it, and then some people have to be assholes and say they aren't even going to read it. Not cool.

[Joey_]

Sorry for the multiple post, i suck at formatting

Can you tell me what doesn't work with 545/574 VS 587/596? @sauce

[SausasaurusRex]

Spoiler:

Please don't hammer anyone yet. I'm still combing through the game thread and writing up a Reads List.

Guys, please NO hammering yet. I'm still typing up my Reads List.

alimdia

Please tell me again why you're voting Invisibility in 171. 203: Do you think rb could be Scum and is tunneling Dolly? I agree with the first half of 208, but I'd like you to guess as to why I don't agree with your second half of it. On 218 I think we should talk more about you thinking Dolly should be Townread regarding rb's behavior. I like that you also caught that in 257; want to join me in pressuring this? Not sure I like your 331... Also, why did you join on Jake's wagon in 341? I too would like to see Invisibility expand on 380.

Arkias

You seem eager to find a reason in 254 to join the Invisibility wagon. I like 402 because I agree with all of it. 443: It can be whatever; don't let people tell you how to play the game. Could you please briefly explain your gut-vote in 455?

Billy Pilgrim

491: Regarding Dolly, Invisibility, and Jake, who would you vote if you had to, and why? I think the better reason to vote Dolly would be 442, Billy, if she doesn't explain herself.

Can you tell me what doesn't work with 545/574 VS 587/596?

Dolly Parton

Not particularly liking your 151. For the record meta-wise, I never do Mason claims. Although I am still curious why you would target me for that claim. 184: In no way does that make me ObvTown, and I don't think it's reasonable for Town-You to really have that notion this early in the game. I agree with 199. You know, for someone being Scumread for a fake Mason claim, you appear eager to vote Invisibility for a perceived Scumslip (228). 231: I don't like this. 414: What? I REALLY don't like 442, and I could hammer you right now for it but I want an explanation from you on this. Please explain 514. 515: Noted. Somehow I'm not convinced by 523. I don't like the "reasoning" behind 556. I need you to thoroughly respond to 558 please.

eth0s

I don't like your vote in 96 because to me it feels opportunistic. Do you currently support Jake's lynch? Regarding 421, how are you reading him currently? On 433 I don't think he's had a completed Scum-game yet, so we don't know alimdia's Scum-meta. 434: Alimdia should not be above scrutiny, and Uzi has done barely anything this game.

Invisibility

Not liking your 122. Sarcasm rarely translates well on text. I agree with 277; a joke Mason claim does not a Scum make. Please tell me more your reasoning behind 379. I like 440. 454: A good question, and not a fair thing to really ask, especially during Day 1.

Jake The Wolfie

Please tell me again how Invisibility was quicklynching you in 95. I do however like your response to eth0s in 98. Only Scum self-votes to help themselves, so as Town you should never do that in 102. 111: Are you new to Mafia? I agree with 244. I also agree with 269. I can't agree with 405. I agree there hasn't been much from that slot wrt 411. I agree with 533, in that Dolly does appear to be doing a lot of shade-throwing.

Joey_

Please elaborate on 224. 225: That presumes you assume he is Town, which is knowledge you should not be having if you are Town. You should make it not a secret regarding 509, Joey.

Lil Uzi Vert

OK, I do not like 264, because you are way too quick to join the wagon: I want to know why

you

are voting Dolly. I can agree with 450.

I need to hear more from you, Uzi.

rb

I'm not that convinced it was a slip, rb (142). I wouldn't mind seeing Rex pressured more. So confident you seem in 147. I'm liking the latter half of 156. Unsure the reason for the Dolly vote in 161 but I'm assuming it was a reaction test. I find your overconfidence in 180 disturbing: you know Town is not informed, so if you're uninformed confidence is not something you should have (especially during the early part of Day 1). 181: Obviously if they were to flip Scum you would deal with the consequences. I don't recall getting a reaction from you regarding my 185. 196 seems completely unnecessary. In regards to 213, alimdia shouldn't be Townreading Dolly for that. 221: I'm still not convince Invisibility Scum-slipped, although I've been wrong before. I like that you picked up on that in 272. Regarding 289 I still think pressuring Rex is a good idea.

SausasaurusRex

How well do you fare under pressure as Scum? Your vote on Dolly regarding the fakeclaim is, to me, opportunistic. In 179 you meant fake-claim, not counter-claim, correct...? OK, you corrected yourself. I need you to be very specific regarding why you switched your vote from Dolly to Invisibility in 347. I agree with 382. 503: Good question. Not sure how to read 564.

tris

I agree with 315. I don't agree at all with 349, however. Are you saying in 351 it does or doesn't? I think we should hear more from eth0s in general wrt 381. I can't agree with you on 383: sometimes it's way too difficult to sort players, especially early on. 394 I do agree with.

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alimdia

Arkias

Billy Pilgrim

Dolly Parton

eth0s

Invisibility

Jake The Wolfie

Joey_

Lil Uzi Vert

rb

SausasaurusRex

tris

yeah im not reading that

if i have to follow a link and a link and another link in a post just to make it make sense, im not convinced the writer of the post is trying to be understood and will assume they're just doing busy work to look good without doing anything actually useful

i don't particularly care to lynch wake at this point

i also don't particularly care if he is lynched

Ah, so you're Scum or lazy Town.

I dislike people like that. They ask for reads and thoughts, you spend your time on it, and then some people have to be assholes and say they aren't even going to read it. Not cool.

Sorry for the multiple post, i suck at formatting

Can you tell me what doesn't work with 545/574 VS 587/596? @sauce

He advocates for no lynching until he finishes, then proceeds not to vote anyone or make any reads? Then, when asked for some solid reads, he ignores the question?

[SausasaurusRex]

EBWOP: And in 596 he says implies he put his reads in, but never actually did, and just made comments and questions?