Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Something_Smart]

stahp

That was actually a serious (and genuinely hypothetical) question to gauge your reaction, but I went and checked and you actually never really did insist that the townslip wasn't real unless I'm missing something?

I mean there's 200 which is mildly towny, though I think your towniest post is 220 and even then that's pretty weak considering you feel pretty tonally different from past games. Might just be that the context is different though.

[Menalque]

@GL do you think 35 was genuine?

Why ask this of GL in particular?

Ask me this again later

Can you answer this yet?

Yes, I wanted to know if he voted dats in 38 for memes or not

I don’t think dats’ thing about there being 3 scum was AI any more than I think me listing 2 scum is AI for me

The fact that he used it to justify a semi serious vote is opportunistic

I think his progression on creature does make sense and while it pings me slightly that he voted Icon > creature his reasons for voting icon are the same things that have me unsure about him atm

Also I like that he didn’t hop onto the ‘mena townslipped’ thing and actively called it out

I mean I think this is me pretty explicitly calling it out as not being real

[Menalque]

How am I tonally different?

[Salamence20]

Also what exactly is wrong with 604? I read it again and it seems pretty reasonable to me (aside from the unexplained vote which is pretty much par for the course this game).

@alimdia, I missed it but I also don’t think it was ever relevant. You accused SS of posting neutral fluff but I don’t think my posts compare. Low output yes but I haven’t been neutral. I don’t scumread SS at all fwiw.

My unease about menal isn’t strong but it’s there

, like I’m a little skittish about how widely townread he is over something that I found NAI and

I think it’s been easy for him to coast on it.

I joined his wagon but I don’t like it in retrospect.

It does feel like a scum-driven wagon unlike the GL wagon.

I’m much happier here. VOTE: GL

I’m also remaining pretty adamant that this is Creature’s scum game,

maybe I’m using old meta but I just disagree with amrun and texcat on him looking town.

There should be no reason for DW to vote GL if the bolded parts are true.

Also that post and this post together make no sense:

In other words, I can very easily see AF’s posting as scum motivated; attempt to capitalize on obvious town mistakes, but place vote on most likely mislynch. Obviously that’s untrue if Ico ends up flipping scum. I’m null on him currently.

Also as I look at this it actually seems kind of perspective slippy? Like calling AFF out for capitalising on “obvious town mistakes” sounds a little too much like she knows they’re town, esp considering her null read on icon? Plus calling icon the most likely mislynch

This is exactly what I couldn't put my finger on when Amrun answered my questions last night. I think if you're going to label what Creature did as the "exact same offense" then you'd be scumreading him too regardless of who AF voted for. The more I think about it, AF seems more and more town and Amrun/Creature are looking more sus. There's been two instances of Amrun turning suspicion away from Creature, once when she voted almidia for his vote on Creature and then again in post 284. Like I'm having a hard time articulating it exactly but it seems to come from the perspective of someone who knows Creature's posts were kinda scummy, acknowledges it because she has to, but doesn't want to follow up on it.

VOTE: Amrun

I think DW is being very opportunistic. It makes me really not like my vote on GL

[Salamence20]

I think at this point I'm more confident on this

VOTE: ddl

I have no issue with this, but anyway you would be willing to compromise on DW?

[Something_Smart]

How am I tonally different?

I think primarily you seem more confident in your opinions.

[Something_Smart]

There should be no reason for DW to vote GL if the bolded parts are true.

... Doesn't one of the bolded parts say that the GL wagon is town driven?

[DogWatch]

there’s nothing wrong with my vote. GL is in my top two scum reads and I explained why I’m not voting creature yet.

Blows my mind that you’d call me opportunistic over GL, who has the most opportunistic vote in the game. Your reasoning is awful.

[Salamence20]

There should be no reason for DW to vote GL if the bolded parts are true.

... Doesn't one of the bolded parts say that the GL wagon is town driven?

She said the amrun wagon is scum-driven and yet voted it.

P-Edit: pretty sure i called GL scum for his vote.

[DogWatch]

You do realize that opinions change as information gathers, right?

[Salamence20]

I find it odd you ended up on both big wagons though.

[DogWatch]

There’s nothing odd about it. I didn’t love my amrun vote (as I vocalized) and left that wagon. AFTER that, GL became one of my better scum reads and I felt much better about that vote. I don’t see why this concerns you.

[DogWatch]

VOTE: gl because everyone else is too

Actually I take it back. THIS is the most opportunistic vote in the game.

[Something_Smart]

She said the amrun wagon is scum-driven and yet voted it.

She said the Amrun wagon was scum driven after unvoting

[Salamence20]

There’s nothing odd about it. I didn’t love my amrun vote (as I vocalized) and left that wagon. AFTER that, GL became one of my better scum reads and I felt much better about that vote. I don’t see why this concerns you.

Lol.

Why not creature since your adamant about it?

[Something_Smart]

Thank you phone for shifting the page down a moment after loading it and making me hit submit lmao. That was a half-coherent thought and so I considered leaving it and pretending it was intentional but I won't, lol.

She said the Amrun wagon was scum driven after unvoting

Amrun and saying she was getting second thoughts about the wagon.

[DogWatch]

I mentioned it before but I don’t see us getting anywhere with that today. Amrun made a good case for letting him sort himself out, and I agree with it. You don’t always vote your biggest scum read, sometimes you vote the scum read that has the best chance of flipping.

[Menalque]

I think at this point I'm more confident on this

VOTE: ddl

I have no issue with this, but anyway you would be willing to compromise on DW?

Not rly I think she’s newb!town

I do wanna see her response to me tho

[Menalque]

VOTE: gl because everyone else is too

Actually I take it back. THIS is the most opportunistic vote in the game.

Okay so how about voting ddl with me then

[Menalque]

Also @sally do u wanna vote ddl with me

[DogWatch]

@menal, I intend to but I need to ISO you again because I think I overlooked some of your hundreds of posts lol

[Menalque]

I am ehh about the fact that icon and datisi have both disappeared since I said I was TR/TLing them

[Menalque]

Ok, don’t have much time and posting on phone so forgive the lack of quotes. Also I haven’t read every single post yet.

Ever since GL and Creature jumped on fairly abruptly I’m a lot less sure about the wagon. Menalque continues to defend it even though it’s looking shakier by the moment.

Which brings me to this: why is menalque so widely town-read right now?

If it’s because of his “townslip” during RVS, that’s literally nothing. I’ve done something similar as scum and I’ve done it as town too with full intent both times. So I read nothing into that, purely NAI for me. I did not understand why that “slip” dominated the early discussion.

@menalque, what was your initial progression on amrun and why are still so adamant about it?

I don’t know who I’m scum reading right now. I thought amrun’s response to my vote was level headed and made sense. I don’t think my vote was particularly well reasoned. At the very least I don’t like her at L-1 right now.

UNVOTE: amrun

Leaning slightly scum on GL now, but I only skimmed his posts today so I need to go back through him. Creature I’m still leaning scum on slightly.

@amrun, you said earlier this looked like town!creature based on experience. Where are you now with him? I used to think he was easy to sort but I haven’t been here in years.

I mean I'm widely TR bc I think I'm objectively the towniest slot in the game rn

I don't rly think anyone is town reading me for my "not a townslip" vs the fact that I'm actually solving and sorting people, how caught up are you at this point?

I don't think I am still "so adamant" about it and idk why you're characterising it like that when I've actively said that I'm bothered by the wagon speed, I just don't think that amrun is necessarily towny for having played townier since getting wagoned

plus my initial progression on amrun is p clear if you actually read my ISO

I think my initial concerns over her alim vote and her Pret interactions were bad, but tbh Aaron looks scummier now and that's prob +townpoints for amrun

I also want u to respond to this @dw

[DogWatch]

VOTE: gl because everyone else is too

Actually I take it back. THIS is the most opportunistic vote in the game.

Okay so how about voting ddl with me then

Is this where your scumread on DDL came from?

[Menalque]

Also @sally do u wanna vote ddl with me

@menal, I intend to but I need to ISO you again because I think I overlooked some of your hundreds of posts lol

What does ISOing me have to do with voting ddl?