Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Menalque]

More probably

I forget that I’m meant to not know everyone’s alignment

Yeah that's what I guessed, and why I was a bit uneasy about you.

But that's minor stuff, I expect my read on you to work itself out eventually.

Mmm, I mean if you genuinely think I’m >my norm confident then that’s probably a valid reason to be wary of me I just don’t think I am

[Menalque]

/don’t think I’m presenting that way

[Menalque]

SS, what do you think of datisi and icon?

[Something_Smart]

Datisi has a pretty bad Amrun progression but otherwise unremarkable.

Iconeum 169 and 223 seem pretty genuine.

[Menalque]

What do you think of the fact that I have a very recent completed game with them and that they both kind of disappeared once I said I was either TRing or TLing them?

Prob less AI for icon due to his standing weekend VLA

[Menalque]

I find the shift in activity uncomfortable

What do you think is bad about dats’ amrun progression?

[Something_Smart]

I think activity is a lot less often alignment indicative than people think it is. I don't really see what would be wrong with those behaviors.

[Something_Smart]

What do you think is bad about dats’ amrun progression?

It was totally unexplained and then when she did explain it she didn't really explain it, if that makes any sense.

[Amrun]

Im uneasy about meanlque.

Why? You joined the wagon?

Thats all for tonight, had to catch up all my games, I will investigate the rapid Amrun wagon and its equally rapid collapse, along with the people in the wagon.

In the meantime, this is reminding me of another game where nobody ever follows my pushes.

UNVOTE:

Why did you say the wagon collapsed? I think it lost one vote at max.

[Something_Smart]

Like when I pressed her about it she finally gave 462 which for the most part just described behaviors and didn't say why they were likely to come from scum.

[Amrun]

@menal: what’s your take on GL right now?

[Datisi]

Datisi why are you not posting more

I'm having a hard time getting into this game for some reason

I mean to say Datisi and creature would look worse than the others on a townflip since they actually look to be decent players

lol

Hey Datisi, do you always do notetaking in your own pt?

Nope, I've done it in just one game

[Datisi]

Like when I pressed her about it she finally gave 462 which for the most part just described behaviors and didn't say why they were likely to come from scum.

Yeah, those were the behaviors that made me comfortable enough to be on the wagon/that I could see as scum-indicative

I thought my progression of "hey look this looks like a semi-decent case might as well throw my vote there" was self-explanatory

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.4

amrun [4] - Datisi, Iconeum, GuiltyLion, Creature
GuiltyLion [5] - texcat, Amrun, AaronFrost, Salamence20, Dogwatch
texcat [1] - DrDolittle
DrDolittle [1] - Menalque

Not Voting [3]

- Something_Smart, Pretentious, alimdia

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-12-11 13:35:31)

[DrDolittle]

What's the counter against my taxact vote

[Datisi]

Why did you vote gl just to change your vote a couple of posts later?

[DrDolittle]

I have townreads on Creature ico pret menal and to a lesser degree amrun and ali.

[DrDolittle]

I voted gl. Then I read. Then I voted not gl?

[Datisi]

Yeah that's fair, I'm kinda asking why?

[DrDolittle]

I'm not yet invested in this game I guess

[GuiltyLion]

amrun [7] - Menalque, Datisi, Iconeum, AaronFrost,

{Dogwatch, GuiltyLion, Creature}

<-- Pretty sure at least one of these three are scum. Possibly more than one.

PEDIT: I think his hop on the Amrun wagon was the worst

I'm updating my townreads to include AF and Datisi.

Amrun is a spicy wagon that I think has p good odds of scum and I'm gonna join it, but right now I feel I got a stronger read on alimdia

. I think the S_S tunnel is a distraction and disingenuous, and has given alimdia cover not to comment on anything else actually relevant going on.

VOTE: Amrun

Why exactly did he join the wagon anyways? He makes it clear that his read on alimdia is much stronger but then joins the wagon after saying scum is on it because... why? How is he reading Amrun? He never says.

Earlier he also stated he townreads Icon, Mena, Dogwatch and Creature. Then before he hops on he includes me and Datisi in his townreads. That's literally the entire wagon right there.

first off - I see this happen a lot in mafia games. Someone acts scummy (regardless of their alignment), someone relatively town leader-esque presents a case, and a whole bunch of people town or scum jump on because the slot looks scummy.

That doesn't mean the suspicious slot is suddenly town now. You all are just assuming Amrun is town because a wagon sprung up. Good wagons can go fast especially if townies are mind-melding. I strongly disagree that wagon speed is ever indicative of alignment and if anything I think scum are often afraid to sheep onto fast mislynch wagons because they know it's a mislynch.

Then, you say, "there is no counter wagon!". What just happened on the last 4 pages should make it pretty clear that

I am now the counterwagon

.

Finally, I don't just hop on that wagon as scum. Like, let's make a similar argument S_S was making earlier in the game. If I, as town, always have novel and detailed and well-founded reasons to vote someone, why would I not make an effort to recreate those as scum? Do you really think scum!me is so blasé and arguably

stupid

to talk about how I think alimdia odds of scum are >> than Amrun odds of scum yet still vote the leading clear wagon?

I already explained that I was townreading the people on the Amrun wagon and that it's far more useful to join game-advancing wagons than to vanity vote in a game with a large number of players. I'm not townreading Amrun and so I feel comfortable voting for her. I'm not gonna pretend like I've got some cool new insightful scumtell that provides me with An Original Reason To Vote This Wagon when I don't have one, I just liked the case Menalque was making, didn't scumread anybody on the wagon, and felt it would be a good vote.

[GuiltyLion]

If he's townreading everyone on the wagon, then how is there good odds of scum on it from his point of view?

PEDIT: Really seems like he cares how he looks in that post. Like I feel like as town no matter what you should go for your strongest scumreads.

there's two or three days left in this game and I know I don't have the pull right now to convince 7 other people to vote alimdia with me.

Also, I said it was good odds Amrun is scum, not that there are good odds of scum on it.

[GuiltyLion]

So I wouldn't exactly say I townread him, that's asking for disaster given our history, but I definitely see how his posts could be coming from a town mindset.

what games have there been where you've townread me when I was scum? From my recollection you just pretty much always scumread me and then are wrong most of the time because I'm town most of the time

[GuiltyLion]

I think at this point I'm more confident on this

VOTE: ddl

I have no issue with this, but anyway you would be willing to compromise on DW?

Not rly I think she’s newb!town

I do wanna see her response to me tho

I've played with GinghamDog before, look up her history. She's smart and she's not a newb.

[GuiltyLion]

I actually do agree though I think both DooLittle and Dogwatch are town, still. I think scum in my voters would actually be on the early side of the wagon, either texcat or Amrun. Or both!