Newbie 1971 [Game Over!]

[the worst]

vote count 1.07

Map Wolf (0) :
Kanna (0) :
GayBabyJailor (0) :
Uncrowned (3) : Kanna, GuiltyLion, Billy Pilgrim
Non lmh (0) :
Billy Pilgrim (3) : GayBabyJailor, Menalque, skitter30
GuiltyLion (1) : Non lmh
Menalque (0) :
skitter30 (1) : Uncrowned

not voting: Map Wolf

with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

day one will end automatically in (expired on 2019-12-14 11:30:00) or sooner if a lynch is achieved by majority.


mod notes:
- skitter30 v/la weekends
- Non lmh v/la until tuesday
- quack

[GayBabyJailor]

UNVOTE: Billy
i don't like how this is suddenly L-2, and their most recent post pings town to me

[Uncrowned]

That's an odd unvote imo

L-2 isn't all that serious

[Billy Pilgrim]

Scum me probably not going to come in and vote you Skitt when I'm gonna be the only one there. And if I do, I'm gonna park there rather than unvote. Just got killed in large normal 224 for voting Luca then unvoting when I saw the pushback that I was looking for.

At best I had you as a null-scum to slight scumread. When uncrowned sheeped me with a naked vote that made me re-evaluate that read immediately.

If the progression looks weird it was because I didnt have any solid reads coming in. The speed that uncrowned hopped on your wagon made me think you werent engaging with that slot in bad faith. I'm comfortable with my vote there.

Sorry for putting him to L-1 and not announcing it. Didnt count the votes before voting.

[Uncrowned]

Eh like i said i thought i had already voted skit

It's my own read i havent really paid attention to what you've said about her yet

[Uncrowned]

Gbj unvoting you just bc you're on 3 votes ehhh that's a lil weird

[Kanna]

Catching up right now

[Kanna]

Again, I've asked her to show where I'm misrepping.

If she can't put the effort to defend herself in, why would you do it for her? You're cutting off our avenues of finding scum by relieving pressure atm.

You do you I guess

I did defend myself by pointing out how I thought you were being unfair/shading me and you turned around and said I was threatened so?? I really didn’t think we were on an even playing field so it was unnecessary for me to go further.

I asked for specific instances of where I supposedly misrepresented you. You just saying it's unfair isn't really telling me anything.

Your reaction was eh and I'm not really worried about your slot atm. More interested in Skit. Feels like she's trying to go out of her way to defend ppl when it's not necessary and shuts down dialogue between other slots. Almost like trying to get some cred from the people she's defending. Would be a very smart move as scum to try and do that.

Haven't really looked into Map Wolf much yet but I do recall getting some opportunistic vibes from them.

What do you mean by opportunistic vibes? Why haven't you looked into them if you got opportunistic vibes?

[Uncrowned]

Because I'm focusing on one slot at a time

[Uncrowned]

But it was minor stuff like prodding to see if anyone would go with a GL lynch. Believe it was on page 2 or 3

[Kanna]

Billy is really confusing me. Will have to go back to him later.

[Kanna]

This is weird. These posts are almost right next to each other.

Hmmm... @Uncrowned, what is your opinion on Map Wolf?
@Map Wolf, what is your opinion on Uncrowned?

Null. His vote on you is either opportunistic or just town wanting something to actually happen.

this isn't a read. I want you to make a choice here which you think is more likely.

Town is more likely.

VOTE: skitter30

To be honest, there's a chance that scum is Uncrowned and Skitter.

Seriously, what do you think about Uncrowned?? Also hmmmm so do you scumread skitter?

[Kanna]

Actually #224 confuses me. Please explain why you think that.

[Kanna]

But it was minor stuff like prodding to see if anyone would go with a GL lynch. Believe it was on page 2 or 3

Do you mean this?

If GL's play is going to be similar to Rivers, then I wouldn't mind lynching him day one, lol.

^Nothing personal, but let's find scum early on.

Honestly wasn't sure what this was trying to say the first time I read it. The take that this is "prodding to see if anyone would go with a GL lynch" is interesting. If so, then I think that's less opportunistic and more scummy?

MW, can you also explain this?

[Map Wolf]

But it was minor stuff like prodding to see if anyone would go with a GL lynch. Believe it was on page 2 or 3

That post makes a lot more sense if you know the context from Newbie 1965. Now I suppose I should have clarified that I wasn't trying to push for a legit lynch, but I didn't find that needed.

[Map Wolf]

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11433823]Honestly wasn't sure what this was trying to say the first time I read it. The take that this is "prodding to see if anyone would go with a GL lynch" is interesting. If so, then I think that's less opportunistic and more scummy?

MW, can you also explain this?[/quote]
In Newbie 1965, we ended up mislynching GL day 2 with him insisting on what would have also been a mislynch. So I was actually joking there, since lynching someone based solely off of a previous game doesn't really make sense.

[Uncrowned]

But it was minor stuff like prodding to see if anyone would go with a GL lynch. Believe it was on page 2 or 3

Do you mean this?

If GL's play is going to be similar to Rivers, then I wouldn't mind lynching him day one, lol.

^Nothing personal, but let's find scum early on.

Honestly wasn't sure what this was trying to say the first time I read it.

The take that this is "prodding to see if anyone would go with a GL lynch" is interesting. If so, then I think that's less opportunistic and more scummy?

MW, can you also explain this?

Possibly. The reason I called it minor is because I thought that, as MW just said, it was a reference to a completed game.

Idk. Seems like a reasonable explanation. I just thought it could have been an attempt at testing the waters to see if anyone would want to go with that course of action.

His read that I just saw about Skit/Uncrowned being a possible team is kind of ridiculous and quite a reach, imo. Can't determine if it's just a bad read or scum looking to find something to latch onto.

[Map Wolf]

His read that I just saw about Skit/Uncrowned being a possible team is kind of ridiculous and quite a reach, imo. Can't determine if it's just a bad read or scum looking to find something to latch onto.

I do like to explore potential pairings. Prefer that to having nothing to post. Pushing for a specific pair d1 doesn't really make sense. You'll be proven hard wrong if the result is town.

Also not to hang on to the theory too much, but I feel like this is how one might react if I hypothetically was right, lol.

[Uncrowned]

i mean we can test it if you like

[Billy Pilgrim]

Gbj unvoting you just bc you're on 3 votes ehhh that's a lil weird

Sure, weird, but what makes it scummy? I want to reread your interaction with Kanna, because right now it feels like you're focusing on things that look bad rather than scummy.

I didnt see it in my first read through of your interaction with Kanna, but you doubling down on GBJ's unvote does seem that way. Assume I'm a green flip, what does GBJ get out of this? Hes not fighting my lynch so he cant really spin it for towncred. Even if I was scum, you think my partner would unvote me as the pressure on me was building? You think a scum player exists that votes his partner prior to a replace in just to unvote when things start going downhill?

I dont think you're interacting with that slot in good faith at the moment.

[Uncrowned]

Which slot? GBJ? I'm just taking note of something he did so that I can remember it and call back to it if it ever becomes relevant.

And yeah, I focus on things that look bad to get an understanding of them. Town can make misplays. It's the slots trajectory with their thoughts and actions that follows the "bad" play that matters to me, not just the original play on its own.

It makes zero sense to me why you'd be unvoted just for hitting L-2, I want to know more, I want GBJ to explain, not you on their behalf.

First Skit, now you. I feel like my investigations are being hampered.

[skitter30]

UNVOTE: Billy
i don't like how this is suddenly L-2, and their most recent post pings town to me

I mean ... what's the problem with l-2 here exactly ?

[skitter30]

Scum me probably not going to come in and vote you Skitt when I'm gonna be the only one there.

Like i said, i originally thought it was lowkey townie because i dont really know if this is how you choose to enter the game

But the flop from pushing me to pushing the person i'm pushing because he's pushing me is not exactly giving me warm and fuzzy feelings

So you think uncrowned is being oppurtunistic and taking the oppurtunity to hop on my wagon once you'd started it, and that changed your mind on the slot?

[skitter30]

*more accurately: changed your mind on how you viewed me approaching the slot?

[skitter30]

Mapwolf why are you thinking me/uncrowned?