Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[DrDolittle]

@SS threshold of how town a player has to look before i call them town

Does that mean that you start the game scumreading everybody?

i dont know what you are trying to bait out here nor how its relevant but this question is scummy.

[DrDolittle]

its funny because im above median in post count

[texcat]

Texcat, how come you haven't posted anything in almost two days, but you posted about an hour after of someone calling you out? And just to defend yourself?

Defend myself? What are you talking about?

[Something_Smart]

i dont know what you are trying to bait out here nor how its relevant but this question is scummy.

I'm trying to understand your scumhunting method, because it doesn't make sense to me right now. You implied that you townread someone once they post enough towny content, and you scumread Amrun because she had not yet posted that content.

To me, that seems to imply that if someone hasn't posted much, that would lead you to scumread them even if their lack of posting is obviously not alignment related.

[Salamence20]

@SS threshold of how town a player has to look before i call them town

Does that mean that you start the game scumreading everybody?

i dont know what you are trying to bait out here nor how its relevant but this question is scummy.

Idk, I think the mindset would actually be interesting.

Everyone is scum until they prove otherwise is a method.

[Salamence20]

Texcat, how come you haven't posted anything in almost two days, but you posted about an hour after of someone calling you out? And just to defend yourself?

Defend myself? What are you talking about?

Can you give me some reads?

If no, give me proof that youre actually playing this game other than Amrun is scum

[Datisi]

You didn't post anything for almost 2 days, but almost as soon as someone mentioned that they'd like more info from you, you appear

[Salamence20]

Texcat has 10 posts.
Fakegod has 10 posts.

Hmmmmm

[texcat]

Texcat, how come you haven't posted anything in almost two days, but you posted about an hour after of someone calling you out? And just to defend yourself?

Defend myself? What are you talking about?

Can you give me some reads?

If no, give me proof that youre actually playing this game other than Amrun is scum

I don't think Amrun is scum. I think GL is scum. And I think that the Amrun wagon is lingering on because it's the counterwagon to the scum!GL wagon.

[Something_Smart]

Why do you think GL is scum?

[Salamence20]

Why do you think Amrun is not scum?

How about anything involving the other 11 players?

Is DDL town or scum due to what Menal said earlier?

[GuiltyLion]

The only reason people are scumreading me is because I called out alimdia while hopping on the Amrun wagon. I've given my explanation for this - even though I had a stronger read on Alimdia, I didn't think that wagon would go, I thought furthering the Amrun wagon would be more useful for the game state, and I wasn't townreading Amrun and felt it was also a good vote. You can disagree with one or all of these reasons but those remain my motivations and I think they're entirely justifiable from a town mindset.

So if people are still scumreading me after that that's their prerogative, but it feels quite tunnel-y and shortsighted IMO. Notice how texcat has no proactive commentary about Amrun until pressured/forced to give it. If she were townreading Amrun, why not say that earlier when the wagon was in full force?

[texcat]

As I said when I voted him, I didn't like post 38 where he voted Datisi for pointing out that there were 3 scum. I originally thought this was just a RVS vote, but GL spent some time defending it as a serious vote. So it wasn't the actual vote that looked scummy to me, it was the way he continued to defend it as serious.

I think Amrun is town mostly based on the wagons. If GL were to flip town at some point, I'd definitely revisit Amrun.

DDL is pretty well stuck in the null column for me. I think he voted me at some point, so just my omgus instinct would move him over to slightly scummy. He's made more posts than I have, but has said less.

[GuiltyLion]

Being honest I haven't really looked at Creature much since I got some slight town vibes from his early game but it's true he's dropped off a lot since then. I think he's less towny than Doolittle and Menalque I'm willing to hear your case there but I feel you're off on that one.

@Creature

I think texcat is town
So is GuiltyLiar and Saladance

Why the texcat townread?

Creature come back and tell them I play like dogshit as town

You're usually visibly town as town

What's your read on Doolittle?

[GuiltyLion]

So it wasn't the actual vote that looked scummy to me, it was the way he continued to defend it as serious.

Do you understand my reasoning though? I think Menalque's post was a townslip or at worst ++town-indicative. I felt it was awkward that Datisi didn't comment on that. That's not to say "omg Datisi is scum" (I have since completely reversed and find Datisi strong town now) but it's good enough for a serious early game vote.

Why is any of that reasoning scummy? Why is me giving that explanation and then defending it something that is more likely to come from scum than town?

[Amrun]

Ugh, don’t like texcat’s stance on me - if GL is indeed town, feels like lining up mislynches.

[Something_Smart]

So it wasn't the actual vote that looked scummy to me, it was the way he continued to defend it as serious.

Why do you think he would be more likely to defend it like that as scum?

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Creature

[GuiltyLion]

I think Amrun is town mostly based on the wagons. If GL were to flip town at some point, I'd definitely revisit Amrun.

and yes this is potentially lining up mislynches and regardless of alignment it's illogical circular reasoning

"Amrun's wagon happened fast, there's probably scum on it. I like GL the least and have another reason for scumreading him, so he's likely scum".
"GL is scummy, voted Amrun, and is the counter-wagon to Amrun, so she's probably town"

[Something_Smart]

Ugh, don’t like texcat’s stance on me - if GL is indeed town, feels like lining up mislynches.

But on the other hand if GL is lynched and flips town your lynch has basically lined itself up. It's not as though that sentiment expressed by texcat is unexpected; she's just the first to say it out loud.

[Datisi]

Is there really no other reasoning you've kept your vote on GL, @texcat? Nothing else from him you find AI one way or the other?

VOTE: Creature

I don't wanna flip GL. I'm still okay going back to Amrun if possible, but I'm definitely not impressed by Creature so far either.

[GuiltyLion]

I think if I'm lynched Amrun should not be lynched for at least a few days and the first lynch should be between the people who aren't commenting on any of the D1 shit. texcat is bad but alimdia remains worse.

[GuiltyLion]

Please, people stop saying 'if I was scum I would do this. I didn't therefore I am town'.... Also SS's argument is shit btw, but lets not get into that again...
Finally... your spot , the counter wagon spot, what are you thinking of the people on it now? after this...

VOTE: GuilityLion

I am slightly skeptical though, because DW and texcat are both on this wagon.

like I want everyone who was suspicious of my Amrun vote (DogWatch, AaronFrost, tex, etc) as "likely scum on the Amrun wagon" to just... look at this. Just look at it. Assume that I'm town for a second and read this and tell me what you think.

[Amrun]

Ugh, don’t like texcat’s stance on me - if GL is indeed town, feels like lining up mislynches.

But on the other hand if GL is lynched and flips town your lynch has basically lined itself up. It's not as though that sentiment expressed by texcat is unexpected; she's just the first to say it out loud.

A) that would be after we had an actual GL flip that was town, with real information

B) texcat avoided giving a read at all so they don’t look bad either way

It’s gross.


@GL: yeah alimdiah’s vote there isn’t fantastic

[DogWatch]

My problem right now is that my two top scum reads don't make much sense together. GL and Creature BOTH being scum seems really unlikely considering how fast they jumped the amrun wagon one after the other, and I know they're both better players than to do something that sloppy and obvious if the efforts were scum-coordinated.