Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Menalque]

I’d also compromise on DDL. DDL is here and voting/talking at least, whereas creature is being willfully obstinate.

And idk of ego boost or what but I felt slightly better about my last interaction with DDL.

Creature will probably either be back or we’ll get a replacement in which case the slot will be clearer to resd

Either way it’s a bad lynch for todsy

[Menalque]

The key words being “cerca a year or two ago”

What's your point? That's when the majority of my Creature experience is from. I've made a clear invitation for anyone who's played with him more recently to let me know if it's still true.

that’s exactly what I’m doing rn??

[Something_Smart]

Whats worse: not being here at all or being here and doing exactly nothing? Which is what ddl has been doing

Not being here is definitely worse. Just by posting you open yourself up to potential negative attention.

As scum I'm way more likely to think "I'm afraid of saying the wrong thing so I won't post" than I am to think "I'm afraid of being called out as lurking so I'll post some useless shit."

[Menalque]

you're moving the goalposts now - there may not be conviction but it certainly counts as doing something especially since that was a novel attempt at another wagon at that stage in the game. He also re-joined Amrun later which is also a significant move game-state wise

My point is that it’s not really an attempt at another wagon

because

of the lack of conviction

So it still is de facto doing nothing while attempting to give the semblance of doing something

Whats towny about the re-limp onto amrun? I think that’s entirely NAI

[Salamence20]

DDL is playing like he did in fortnite: being useless.

Problem is so is half of the playerbase.

DDL flip gives us NOTHING

[Something_Smart]

that’s exactly what I’m doing rn??

Yes I see, I missed 812 in the flurry of posts, my bad.

What exactly changed in his meta?

[GuiltyLion]

for me voting Creature was one of those things where initially I felt fairly meh about it but I started liking it more and more as I continued thinking about it, which is the opposite of what usually happens and signifies to me that it's good

@Menalque - I'm just arguing that DDL is doing stuff, which seems to be contra your main point about why we should vote him (he isn't doing stuff). You can continue to hand wave away the examples I've listed, but I think you'd be hard pressed to genuinely argue that DDL is making less of an impact on the game than Creature is. And I like Smart's recent post about this too

[Menalque]

Also I genuinely think that creature’s ISO is better than ddl’s

I don’t think it’s towncsse worthy but when I’m on my laptop later I’m willing to show what’s good about it imo

[Menalque]

DDL is playing like he did in fortnite: being useless.

Problem is so is half of the playerbase.

DDL flip gives us NOTHING

HOW ARE YOU MAKING THIS ARGUMENT WHILE VOTING

CREATURE

[Menalque]

If that’s your argument like

What

Pray tell

Do you think we get from a creature lynch that we don’t get from a ddl lynch?

[Menalque]

that’s exactly what I’m doing rn??

Yes I see, I missed 812 in the flurry of posts, my bad.

What exactly changed in his meta?

I can try to dig it up but basically he got lurkier as town (see: Pokemon ruby, there was a newbie he repped out of, p sure it was 1949, nomination Mafia)

[Salamence20]

DDL is playing like he did in fortnite: being useless.

Problem is so is half of the playerbase.

DDL flip gives us NOTHING

HOW ARE YOU MAKING THIS ARGUMENT WHILE VOTING

CREATURE

HE WAS A TOWNREAD OF MINE AND WAS ACTIVELY PLAYING AT FIRST THEN VANISHED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. THAT ISNT TOWN.

Also Im not lynching DDL despite meta being trash.

[Menalque]

I think hyperposting is still probably +townpoints for creature but I think him being a lurksack is p NAI now

[Something_Smart]

Regardless my more in-depth thoughts on Creature are basically "there's some chance that I'd be able to confidently call Creature town by this point, and I can't, so it raises the odds of him being scum."

For the record the above also applies to you Menalque but it's a lot weaker because I have gotten very fast and accurate townreads on him whereas I have not on you.

[Menalque]

DDL is playing like he did in fortnite: being useless.

Problem is so is half of the playerbase.

DDL flip gives us NOTHING

HOW ARE YOU MAKING THIS ARGUMENT WHILE VOTING

CREATURE

HE WAS A TOWNREAD OF MINE AND WAS ACTIVELY PLAYING AT FIRST THEN VANISHED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. THAT ISNT TOWN.

Also Im not lynching DDL despite meta being trash.

Why is disappearing scum indicative when I just cited THREE (3!?!?) examples of him being a lurksack as town

[GuiltyLion]

I think it's scummy that when DDL made a plea to Creature to defend his townmeta, Creature made a joke about it and failed to give any kind of real read on DDL. Discuss.

[Menalque]

Why has his inactivity undermined whatever it was that initially made you think he was towny @sally

[Menalque]

Regardless my more in-depth thoughts on Creature are basically "there's some chance that I'd be able to confidently call Creature town by this point, and I can't, so it raises the odds of him being scum."

For the record the above also applies to you Menalque but it's a lot weaker because I have gotten very fast and accurate townreads on him whereas I have not on you.

Like if you can’t confidently call me town by this point then idk what I can do for you really

I think I’m as towny by now as I have been in multiple other recent games we’ve had together

[GuiltyLion]

actually maybe I misinterpreted the tone of that Creature post.

Still though, it's shading DDL without actually calling him scum, so my broader point stands

[Salamence20]

If that’s your argument like

What

Pray tell

Do you think we get from a creature lynch that we don’t get from a ddl lynch?

His scumflip makes you look bad, and makes me and SS very likely town.

His townflip means I have to reread everything and look at the wagon again.

P-Edit 1: I want the pressure on him, HOW ABOUT YOU TELL ME WHAT DDL LYNCH GIVES U

P-Edit 4: Yall need to shut the fuck up while im posting

[GuiltyLion]

can I also be very likely town on a Creature scumflip?

[Amrun]

I’d also compromise on DDL. DDL is here and voting/talking at least, whereas creature is being willfully obstinate.

And idk of ego boost or what but I felt slightly better about my last interaction with DDL.

Creature will probably either be back or we’ll get a replacement in which case the slot will be clearer to resd

Either way it’s a bad lynch for todsy

I would prefer to lynch elsewhere, as stated earlier, but as time goes on and he continues to fuck off I care less and less.

[Amrun]

can I also be very likely town on a Creature scumflip?

Ew

[GuiltyLion]

why is that Ew?

[Menalque]

I’ll get through and find what exactly the ddl lynch gives me once I’m pushing it harder

But basically it’s meeting a lot of resistance, IMO more than anyone so far and that gives me good vibes

Probably the vice versa of what you just said, ie +scum on you and SS

Plus it basically locktowns me