Newbie 1971 [Game Over!]

[Non lmh]

ok i don't particularly like non imh on this page

for posterity's sake, albeit limited, in my experience ^ that's a grade A scumtell

[Uncrowned]

Well, yeah. If you messed up, I would've been fine with taking my chances and trying to lynch you.

It's not a matter of who is DEFINITELY scum because almost always there'll be a good chance you're wrong. To me it's about finding who is most likely to be scum and go with them, and live with the results.

I'm no expert, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Your reactions to me appeared to be how a new townie would react. It's not 100% but it's what I'm thinking atm.

And yeah, you can call my earlier push unfair. It was desgined to be that way.

[Uncrowned]

The above was @Kanna

[Non lmh]

ROFL @Lion still having it in for me after I gave him well over three days to find her partner. it was R.V.S. bro, I legit didn't even read it,,
saying shit like 'likely' to come from scum
aahahahahahahaahahaaaaahahahahaha

*sigh* well, you still have about 4 days before you get nk'ed, best of luck Lion

[GuiltyLion]

ROFL @Lion still having it in for me after I gave him well over three days to find her partner. it was R.V.S. bro, I legit didn't even read it,,
saying shit like 'likely' to come from scum
aahahahahahahaahahaaaaahahahahaha

*sigh* well, you still have about 4 days before you get nk'ed, best of luck Lion

I don't really get this post at all?? Gave me three days to find whose partner? Assuming I'm going to be NK'd?

Like part of me is like, was this meant for the scum pt?, but even that wouldn't really make sense

[GuiltyLion]

The speed that uncrowned hopped on your wagon made me think you werent engaging with that slot in bad faith

I've been trying to reconsider Billy and I see skits argument if I'm to assume town!Uncrowned, and this stood out to me as odd - the logic is uncrowned's behavior means skitter wasn't acting in bad faith, which is kinda jank when I scrutinize it, I'm not sure that's really how a townie would think.

Idk though he still sounds town to me tonally and the flip flop feels like it'd be a profoundly sloppy and unforced error if he's scum deciding to do a 180. I might need to check his scum games if he has some

[Non lmh]

um, wait, she really wasn't on your radar, like at all?
isn't what she just did basically sling mud everywhere to help cover her tracks? or I legit being paranoid again,,

[GuiltyLion]

Who are you talking about? skitter?

[Non lmh]

um, okay, guess we're not on the same page yet nvm
you do you pal,, hell, what do I know,, d1 after all,, gn

[Non lmh]

wait, you are town right?

[Non lmh]

um,, was it all in my head???

[Non lmh]

hello?????

[Non lmh]

ugh, fine whatever, see y'all later

[the worst]

vote count 1.09

Map Wolf (0) :
Kanna (0) :
GayBabyJailor (0) :
Uncrowned (2) : Kanna, Billy Pilgrim
Non lmh (0) :
Billy Pilgrim (2) : Menalque, skitter30
GuiltyLion (1) : Non lmh
Menalque (0) :
skitter30 (1) : Uncrowned

not voting: Map Wolf, GayBabyJailor, GuiltyLion

with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

day one will end automatically in (expired on 2019-12-14 11:30:00) or sooner if a lynch is achieved by majority.


mod notes:
- skitter30 v/la weekends
- quack

[GuiltyLion]

I'm here and town.

I think if you thought I was scumreading skitter then that was in your head, yeah. I got annoyed early game with her but I don't think she's done anything scummy - I don't think she's done any real mud slinging, mostly the opposite really

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Map Wolf

I like this better than Billy and a fair number of people have been suspecting him but not voting him, which makes me think it's a good vote for the gamestate. I also think it's suspect that he gave Kanna a hard time for not voting but hasn't voted anywhere himself since unvoting her a few days ago.

[Kanna]

Well, yeah. If you messed up, I would've been fine with taking my chances and trying to lynch you.

It's not a matter of who is DEFINITELY scum because almost always there'll be a good chance you're wrong. To me it's about finding who is most likely to be scum and go with them, and live with the results.

I'm no expert, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Your reactions to me appeared to be how a new townie would react. It's not 100% but it's what I'm thinking atm.

And yeah, you can call my earlier push unfair. It was desgined to be that way.

Ok I'm glad we established that for my own sanity. I don't know if I agree with that form of scum hunting though (if it is hmmm). The rate of error seems far too high.

About my reaction; was I even townie in that reaction? Are you sure you didn't just back off because everyone defended me and it was hard for you to keep going?

See, I personally didn't feel like I was especially townie there; my response was to engage as little as possible because I could tell you were being unfair. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think people were on my side because you were scummy more so than I was townie.

Tell me how I was "townie".

[Kanna]

I would be fine with a Map Wolf lynch too. I really do want either Uncrowned or Map today though. Mixed feelings about Billy, but I think he's a topic for another day.

Good night guys!

[Map Wolf]

Mapwolf why are you thinking me/uncrowned?

Mostly thought the idea of you bussing uncrowned could kind of make sense.

Is more coming? Because I am not satisfied.

I was suggesting that it could be the case, although I am more inclined to say that skitter likely isn't scum.

[Map Wolf]

VOTE: Map Wolf

I like this better than Billy and a fair number of people have been suspecting him but not voting him, which makes me think it's a good vote for the gamestate. I also think it's suspect that he gave Kanna a hard time for not voting but hasn't voted anywhere himself since unvoting her a few days ago.

Okay this vote is super opportunistic and your views on me are misleading in my view. I can see a vote for pressure being useful, but at what reason? For giving Kanna a hard time? I didn't give her a hard time, I just wanted to put pressure on her so that something actually happened in the game. If I was scum, I wouldn't even bother create a happening. As for why I haven't voted anyone? I didn't vote Uncrowned as I think he's likely to be town. I considered voting Non Imh, but didn't as I wanted to give the slot a chance.

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim as I think it is likely TvS between him and Uncrowned.

[Uncrowned]

@Kanna

Tonally you read as though you were town. You weren't playing super survivalistic either which I take as a scum tell during D1 play since scum really needs to avoid a lynch.

The only person I remember defending you was Skit and I became more interested in them. I don't really care about pressure or people disagreeing with me, it's part of the game.

[GayBabyJailor]

um, okay, guess we're not on the same page yet nvm
you do you pal,, hell, what do I know,, d1 after all,, gn

ugh, fine whatever, see y'all later

i dont like these posts at all
VOTE: non imh

[Uncrowned]

@kanna

You bringing up effective scumhunting is an interesting convo topic actually. I've only played a few games on this site so I'm changing up the styles and my meta a little to see what works and what doesn't.

I think there's an ideal amount of pure aggression and analysis that works together, but I haven't hit that yet this game. It's more so been aggression and "feelings" this game for me than actual analyzing of slots.

At the least I think my stirring of the pot has progressed the gamestate somewhat, so while the results haven't been anything spectacular YET I'm still kinda cool with where we've ended up this phase.

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Mena - where you at? You disappeared.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Ok reread through the early thread a bit. I apologize for the wall. Up through page 6 now.

First time I read through, I felt uncrowned was town and it's why I took issue with Skitter's post. Honestly the only reason that changed was because of how quickly uncrowned shifted his vote to Skitter after I started pushing her.

I took a step back and re-read through the early game. (Thanks GBJ for explaining how to iso more than one person at a time. Helps me track logic and progression better than just one person's posts on their own)
Skitter and uncrowned are both poking Lion in the early game.
Their reasons are close but different. Uncrowned seems to be pushing over the tone of Lion's entry in terms of it looking over-justified. Skitt is pushing based on perceiving Lion as LAMIST and the reaction to Skitt's followup (I think she's referring to Lion saying that he felt she was interfering with his push).

Now first read through, I felt like Lion wasnt wrong here. I felt like there may have been a way for Skitt to accomplish what she said was her goal of pressuring Lion over what she thought was a bad push without offering Non-imh a built in defense to the push. Now, she did something similar later with Kanna, and I think what I did earlier was fail to think about what would be Skitts scum motivation in white knighting all the townies. At some point she's going to have to get mislynches and if she just keeps defending town players that's not going to help her.

I do like the early questions that uncrowned was asking of the other slots, but I dont want to put too much weight there, because that's definitely capable of either alignment.

95 from nonimh is pinging me again. I asked the question wrong when I first entered the game as I thought it came from GBJ, avatar was getting confused in my head. But I want to know why non thought that Lion was scumreading Skitter when Lion had said he wasnt.

@Nonimh - please answer that

Also @ non- imh 97 - if you felt that GL's reasoning was fine, why did you feel that the push was fine? And also why were you voting him?

101 - uncrowned starts engaging with Kanna over not voting. Could be conf!biasing toward scum for not voting, but claims it's based on experience. Ok, I think I'm starting to see why Skitter made the push on uncrowned. Uncrowned's push at 115 didnt really look like it was trying to assess where Kanna was at with this game. That's scummy, but to be honest, in this forum that happens alot. I've seen tons of gamestate railroaded by town players that arent honestly trying to assess another player's motivations. So I see why Skitter thought that bbn was a good push. I dont know that it means uncrowned is scum though.

Other posts from uncrowned felt genuine though. 120 spoke to me. Again, it's not true all the time, but I can see why hed be pressing Kanna given that lens.

Although I think 127 may be a bit off. I know that optimal strategy from town is to not worry about being scumread and keep scumhunting, but this is a mistake that all players make and that new players are particularly weak at. So this feels like it's less good faith.

Reading back through Skitters posts on uncrowned, i was way off. Sorry about that. Like I said, i am paranoid about skum Skitter and i let that color my whole view of the game. That was a mistake.

Like page 6 is Skitter pushing back on Uncrowned in a way that didnt cut off any open inquiries from uncrowned. Yeah no, this push was good and I was an idiot when I came into the game.

In retrospect 146 from uncrowned pings me. Hes using the reasoning from Lion when Skitter didnt really interfere in this one, she pushed independently.