Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Amrun]

I’m incisive when I feel it.

It takes awhile to get there. Day 1 especially. A couple flips in and we are cooking with gas.

I think holding me to a standard to nail all the scums and be decisive on day 1 is an impossible standard to expect any player to uphold. That’s not a fair thing to expect of town. Is that really a good town strategy, to basically say I’m not town unless I live up to unfairly high standards? I don’t think so. That’s a stretch.

[DrDolittle]

im holding you to a standard to be decisive on day 1, and i don't think that that is unfair standards. i don't care if you nail any of the scum, actually. but I don't see any visible decisive hunting of your part like, compared to this iso:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
(granted I know it is 6 years ago)

[GuiltyLion]

My hesitancy to vote him centers partly on questioning whether or not that meta is old/outdated, as I alluded to at some point earlier, and partly due to lack of reactions from him to anything that’s recently happened. You even said yourself that his inactivity is difficult to evaluate so I’m not following why you’d expect me to switch votes when there’s so much ambiguity at play anyway.

I'm not understanding how you can say you think this is his scum meta, yet be less certain about voting him than voting me. You really think I'm still more likely to be scum than Creature based off that one Amrun vote despite all the rest of the effort/engagement I've put in since?

Like if I had just not posted at all and similarly had a "lack of reactions to anything", would that make me

less

suspicious in your mind?

[Iconeum]

Like I have a high confidence in getting to a correct read on datisi (ftr I’ve read here right every game we’ve had together since our first) and I don’t see scum her yet

Like maybe a little from the hesitance to be in thread but she’s still a tonal TL so I’m not willing to go there today

But I know ur worried about the fact that Datisi is

not quite

in her town meta as she usually is when town

And also, Amrun should always be the lynch today.

If we lynch anyone else, it won't even matter what they flip, Amrun is still gonna be hot tomorrow. Better off lynching today and working from there (with wagon information from today). I know a bunch of players who are gonna look pretty ropey if Amrun flips red.

It's just the best lynch.

need more votes on amrun

I know youre going to tell me its more about the other stuff he says but I don't see much of a difference between these two posts. Iconeum wants Amrun dead because hes scum apparently, and hasn't done anything since being asked by Menal to do so. Why is he doing it? Probably because he can get away with it in this game?

Instead of non-stop shading, can you like engage with me over stuff?

740 for starters - your words don't make sense with your actual 'reads'

[Iconeum]

Salamance, ur not trying to sort me. You have been shading me all game, been calling for a vig shot on me, while also calling my play noob (why do you want a noob play vig'd?) and coasting. Which one is it?

If you are actually scumreading me, then push me. If you think i'm town playing bad/noob/whatever, then you shouldn't have asked for a vig shot on me.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Salamence

[Amrun]

im holding you to a standard to be decisive on day 1, and i don't think that that is unfair standards. i don't care if you nail any of the scum, actually. but I don't see any visible decisive hunting of your part like, compared to this iso:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
(granted I know it is 6 years ago)

I was a fairly seasoned mafia player and had been playing with CDB for a long time when I pegged him on day 1, then was NK N1 after getting him lynched.

I’m rusty, I’m out of the loop with most of the players and play styles now, and even the best town doesn’t always get that lucky. I think saying “if you don’t personally catch scum, push their lynch and achieve it on day 1, you’re not town” is unfair to the point of scumminess on your part.

Dang that was a good game, though.

[GuiltyLion]

Ico that's like the least useful vote right now

It sounds like you're just salty he called for you to be vigged

[Iconeum]

Can you look at the reasons he wants me to be vigged tho? And tell me that comes from town?

[GuiltyLion]

I haven't looked yet frankly but I don't see why calling for "n00b play" to be vigged - even if town - is inherently scummy. There's like 5 or 6 slots I'd currently vig myself right now, they can't all be scum. Sometimes it's nice to just resolve a slot even if they're town cause they may be lynchbait or helping scum with mislynches.

What are your thoughts on this little Creature/DDL/GL trifecta of wagons we got going on right now? If forced to choose, which would you join, which would you absolutely not join?

[Amrun]

That’s a bizarre angle for scum to takes though.

Shit. Doubting DDL scum now.

[Iconeum]

Don't really see why I should indulge in discussing your topics if you don't wanna discuss mine other then 'haven't looked but i'll comment anyway'.

If I had anything to say about them, I would have.

[GuiltyLion]

I mean the things I'm trying to get you to talk about are the three most likely potential lynches to happen today and it's objectively important that people participate in discussion around those

If you truly don't have anything to say about all three wagons and slots then you deserve to be vigged lol

[Iconeum]

If you truly don't have anything to say about all three wagons and slots then you deserve to be vigged lol

It's fascinating you think there's a lot to talk about wrt to those wagons

[Iconeum]

Amrun, now THAT was a good wagon

[GuiltyLion]

It was a good wagon for its time and place but I'm feeling better and better about town!Amrun as this day goes on

[Iconeum]

It's not a lot of work, so please read in order all of Salam's 736, 737, 957.

And then you tell me. Does he want a vig shot on me because of 'noob play'? It's not. He's all over the place with me supposedly having a noob play/coasting/getting away with a scum push on Amrun. It's a lot of shading. No pushing. No engaging me over stuff. No sorting.

This isn't in good faith my good lion.

[Iconeum]

I know this is a reactionary play from me, but it doesn't mean i'm wrong about it.

[Iconeum]

Further, I can drop Amrun for today sure. But I'm not really seeing anything in the current wagons either

[Datisi]

Like I have a high confidence in getting to a correct read on datisi (ftr I’ve read here right every game we’ve had together since our first) and I don’t see scum her yet

Like maybe a little from the hesitance to be in thread but she’s still a tonal TL so I’m not willing to go there today

But I know ur worried about the fact that Datisi is

not quite

in her town meta as she usually is when town

Was there any point to posting this? Do you agree with it?

Amrun, now THAT was a good wagon

You still dislike their posting? If so, why not try to get people back?

[Iconeum]

I did say 'was', and it was in reference to the current ones which I see no particular good reason for me to hop on

And no I just posted that to shade you for no good reason. /

I think what I wrote right there. It feels like ur not quite your town self, perhaps going with the flow some more rather then steering the raft.
If I thought anything major of it, i'd be all over your ass don't you worry.

[Datisi]

Deadline is sorta soon-ish though, are all of Creature/GL/DDL a hard null to you?

And sure, I know I'm not hard in my Town meta of spamposting and yelling at everyone. But I think it's a bit ~suspicious~ to post that (1) just after someone's expressed willingness to vote me, (2) sewing doubt aimed at someone who is expressing UNwillingness to vote me, and (3) knowing that the only time I "wasn't in my Town meta" and you lynched me for that I flipped Town.

[Iconeum]

it's discussing your allignment

in a game of mafia

[Iconeum]

Deadline is sorta soon-ish though, are all of Creature/GL/DDL a hard null to you?

i'm completely caught up, i've not skipped a single page

and yet I have no real reason to vote on either wagon other then 'deadline soon'

yeah what about it?

[Iconeum]

i wasn't particularly fond of the way GL wanted to interact with me