Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Iconeum]

I really wanna see your towngame in a game where you're as active as this one or AvP

It's pretty similar to my scumgame.

-I'm actively looking for scum
-I'm tunneling on what I think is scum, and then a discussion starts about 'MislynchBait IconeumTM'.
-I end up lynching townies.

Yeah lot's of similarities

[popsofctown]

Do you submit fewer nightkills as town? Bingle says that's the defining differentiator for his towngame.

[Iconeum]

Do you submit fewer nightkills as town? Bingle says that's the defining differentiator for his towngame.

That depends on what role, if any, I have.

There's definitely a lot or resemblance in poor action decisions

[Iconeum]

Can confirm i'm about equally scumread for my pushes as town and scum.

[popsofctown]

roll masons w me pls

[Iconeum]

roll masons w me pls

yes

Datisi is first in line tho (but we would like to roll scum together as well)

[Iconeum]

roll masons w me pls

I'm not sure the PT could handle the cuteness overload that would be pictures of our cats/kittens

[emps]

no redactions

[Plum]

Mafia Private Topic

[alimdia]

Quickly skimmed the scum PT, Icon thinking I was some sort of weird cop that sends results to him was funny af.

If emps put half as much effort into the scum PT into the game (I'm not talking about #posts), he'd prob not be targetted by me for being anti-town.

[Alduskkel]

Hmm... honestly I think Ico and emps were a pretty good scumteam on days 1 and 2 but there were enough mistakes to tip it back in the town’s favor like:
1. Misreading alimdia as a PR, when he said something that imo wasn’t PR indicative (even VTs want to avoid outing town PRs after all). Side note, I don’t think emps needed to be so scared of alimdia. Not only was emps aware that he was more or less being scumread for the wrong reasons (which makes it easier to defend) but also no one really believed alimdia’s reasoning so it wasn’t a true threat.
2. Not killing Datisi or Wicked on Night 2 as a result of thinking alimdia was a PR. Datisi was basically never going to get lynched and Ico receiving a clear on Wicked was a signal that Wicked would be conftown later.
3. Neither one fakeclaimed Tracker, but I think knowing the lack of scum power was enough info to realize that there was no Tracker at all, and it could have won the lylo, like if Ico claimed to have tracked Luca or alimdia to the nightkill.
4. Ico was just too all over the place with his positions on late D3 and emps didn't show enough interest in scumhunting D3/D4.

The game was really close and I think if just a couple things had gone differently then it could have been a mafia victory.

[Luca Blight]

The order of claims turned out to be crucial. If either of the scum were last to claim then it would have been game over, as I think everyone assumed there was a Tracker in the game.

[Datisi]

oh my god
are you kidding me
emps used the exact same crumbing method I did when I was scum in Micro 892
and I completely missed it

[emps]

lol i did first letter of last word in each post because i was scared first word in each post would get caught and fuck up future claims

[emps]

little did i know i would somehow fuck up my own future claim by claiming doc instead of tracker like a literal dumbass

[emps]

honestly i regret not killing datisi/luca/wicked n2

idk why we went for someone who we *thought* was pr instead of idk killing the guy that was confirmed fn to us?

[Alduskkel]

the Mafia team had information that I would have expected to lead to a Tracker fakeclaim in massclaim at 2v3 lylo

This is one thing I've been wondering about -- if scum claimed Tracker, is it reasonable to expect the town to be able to figure out that the uncounterclaimed Tracker (in a setup with a revealed Backup Tracker) could still be scum?

[popsofctown]

Fn+informed+tracker+backup tracker is broken beyond belief so yes.

[Alduskkel]

Yeah but the Informed isn't confirmable (so Luca's claim might be viewed with more skepticism than a scum Tracker claim) and none of the scum roles had flipped. Isn't it possible for FN+Info+Tracker+Backup Tracker to be possible if the scum has strong PRs? Ninja, Roleblocker, etc....

[Alduskkel]

EBWOP: "to be possible" -> "to be balanced"

[popsofctown]

Strong enough crumbing from the informed could kind of confirm the slot if the crumb is made before either the tracker or backup tracker claims.

Idk to what extent thats fair to factor in.

I think all four roles+not a ninja and a RB still is too towny but I'm not NRG.

Informed's claim is always as believable if not more believable than the fake tracker claim if the informed is first in mc even without the crumb and if town didn't sort the informed vs the scum correctly in addition to not being able to afford the mislynch I think that's a fair loss.

It's also important that it's really hard for the scum to figure out that it's safe to claim tracker. Again, unless they go last in massclaim, which can be regarded as a game town deserves to lose since massclaim is generally towny slots claim first

[popsofctown]

Ebwop +a ninja

[Alduskkel]

What do you think would have happened if Iconeum claimed Tracker? The claiming order was Wicked-emps-Ico-Luca-Datisi IIRC.

[Alduskkel]

Or emps, whichever slot you think would have a better chance of selling a Tracker claim (I think it'd be Ico which is why that's what I suggested)

[Datisi]

I have a ~hunch~ emps might be the tracker and that he dies tonight.

I am afraid to think what would've happened if emps claimed Tracker with a guilty on Luca...

Fwiw, this is why I asked that Wicked claims before emps does.