Newbie 1971 [Game Over!]

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Mena - at 191, you said consider yourself voting Uncrowned. It was 3 players (you counted them apparently) so a vote wouldnt have been a hammer. What was the point of you saying this without voting him?

Also, why was the fact that there was one empty slot difficult for your engagement in early game?

192 is icky. Why is Map Wolf voting someone that he says he isnt scumreading? Why didnt he unvote if that was the case? But 193 feels good. Dont think hed give town credit here on an OMGUS if scum.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I think scum is probably all in (uncrowned, map wolf, non Imh, billy)

Why do you think that for non Imh & billy?

Also, if you think that doing a push on a new player is scummy, then I'd disagree.

I don't really like billy's entrance/skitt push

non imh is ellitelling this game

why didn't you ask about yourself or uncrowned?

It looks like non imh stopped ellitelling after you made this post. What do you make of that?

[Billy Pilgrim]

Which slot? GBJ? I'm just taking note of something he did so that I can remember it and call back to it if it ever becomes relevant.

And yeah, I focus on things that look bad to get an understanding of them. Town can make misplays. It's the slots trajectory with their thoughts and actions that follows the "bad" play that matters to me, not just the original play on its own.

It makes zero sense to me why you'd be unvoted just for hitting L-2, I want to know more, I want GBJ to explain, not you on their behalf.

First Skit, now you. I feel like my investigations are being hampered.

This is now the second time that you've complained about getting pushback on a push. Show me where I explained why he unvoted? I asked you what was scummy about him unvoting there, and you tried to lump me in with what you were accusing Skitter of unjustifiably.

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Billy

Since you're so concerned about my change of vote to Skitter, read this post by me: 198

This post was made before your vote, and it's when I thought I changed my vote to her.

Right, but you didnt. You waited. Look man, I see folks throw out reasoning all the time, then when a vote comes they go back to older reasoning to show it wasnt manufactured. You're literally doing that right now. 198 looks like you were fishing for someone else to pick it up. And at the time, she was pressuring you, so a vote from you wouldnt have looked great. Instead, youbwere waiting for someone else to vote, and when it happened, you were happy to vote with them. Is your explanation possibly true? Yes. Am I going to believe it now? No. Go hunt for scum rather than trying to convince me the timing wasnt suspect. Because right now, this feels like you being defensive rather than scumhunting, and if I remember you were giving Kanna flak about that earlier.

[GuiltyLion]

Okay this vote is super opportunistic and your views on me are misleading in my view.

how is it opportunistic if I'm currently the only one voting you? What does that word even mean anymore

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim as I think it is likely TvS between him and Uncrowned.

also,

a) why is it likely TvS and not TvT?
b) why is Billy more likely to be S than Uncrowned?

[Map Wolf]

Okay this vote is super opportunistic and your views on me are misleading in my view.

how is it opportunistic if I'm currently the only one voting you? What does that word even mean anymore

Means that it could be an attempt at starting a wagon that you (if scum) knew would be a mislynch.

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim as I think it is likely TvS between him and Uncrowned.

also,

a) why is it likely TvS and not TvT?
b) why is Billy more likely to be S than Uncrowned?

I feel like the way votes are split across all players, that TvS is more likely. If this was TvT, we would likely see both scum commit onto one of two players. Now as for who is more likely to be scum? I honestly don't know who of them is.

[GuiltyLion]

I feel like the way votes are split across all players, that TvS is more likely. If this was TvT, we would likely see both scum commit onto one of two players. Now as for who is more likely to be scum? I honestly don't know who of them is.

if it was TvS, wouldn't both scum commit on the T player? Do you think this is a situation where a scum partnered with Uncrowned/Billy would feel like they need to bus already?

I think if it's TvT then scum feel pretty safe and can split their votes or even not vote yet in the whole thing until a few days pass and we get to deadline crunch and other wagons aren't viable anymore.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Okay this vote is super opportunistic and your views on me are misleading in my view.

how is it opportunistic if I'm currently the only one voting you? What does that word even mean anymore

Means that it could be an attempt at starting a wagon that you (if scum) knew would be a mislynch.

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim as I think it is likely TvS between him and Uncrowned.

also,

a) why is it likely TvS and not TvT?
b) why is Billy more likely to be S than Uncrowned?

I feel like the way votes are split across all players, that TvS is more likely. If this was TvT, we would likely see both scum commit onto one of two players. Now as for who is more likely to be scum? I honestly don't know who of them is.

You need to explain this first part better. That's the opposite of opportunism. If anything hed be creating the opportunity rather than exploiting it.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Hmmm I kinda like 301 on first pass

ya i kinda do too

can i interest you in billy?

How'd you get from 312 to here? 301 was already down, and so was 303. So what swung you from thinking uncrowned was worse to me?

[skitter30]

Mapwolf why are you thinking me/uncrowned?

Mostly thought the idea of you bussing uncrowned could kind of make sense.

Y tho

[skitter30]

ok i don't particularly like non imh on this page

for posterity's sake, albeit limited, in my experience ^ that's a grade A scumtell

I mean ... should i be liking what you posted there ?

[skitter30]

ugh, fine whatever, see y'all later

I have no idea what you're trying to say

[skitter30]

VOTE: Map Wolf

I like this better than Billy and a fair number of people have been suspecting him but not voting him, which makes me think it's a good vote for the gamestate. I also think it's suspect that he gave Kanna a hard time for not voting but hasn't voted anywhere himself since unvoting her a few days ago.

Okay this vote is super opportunistic and your views on me are misleading in my view. I can see a vote for pressure being useful, but at what reason? For giving Kanna a hard time? I didn't give her a hard time, I just wanted to put pressure on her so that something actually happened in the game. If I was scum, I wouldn't even bother create a happening. As for why I haven't voted anyone? I didn't vote Uncrowned as I think he's likely to be town. I considered voting Non Imh, but didn't as I wanted to give the slot a chance.

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim as I think it is likely TvS between him and Uncrowned.

The beginning of this post feels like a lead-up to voting gl, so i'm kinda surprised to see this post end with u voting billy

[skitter30]

@Mena - where you at? You disappeared.

^^^

Also uncrowned is getting better imo

[skitter30]

Ok i gotta go, picking up at billy's wall later

[Map Wolf]

VOTE: Map Wolf

I like this better than Billy and a fair number of people have been suspecting him but not voting him, which makes me think it's a good vote for the gamestate. I also think it's suspect that he gave Kanna a hard time for not voting but hasn't voted anywhere himself since unvoting her a few days ago.

Okay this vote is super opportunistic and your views on me are misleading in my view. I can see a vote for pressure being useful, but at what reason? For giving Kanna a hard time? I didn't give her a hard time, I just wanted to put pressure on her so that something actually happened in the game. If I was scum, I wouldn't even bother create a happening. As for why I haven't voted anyone? I didn't vote Uncrowned as I think he's likely to be town. I considered voting Non Imh, but didn't as I wanted to give the slot a chance.

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim as I think it is likely TvS between him and Uncrowned.

The beginning of this post feels like a lead-up to voting gl, so i'm kinda surprised to see this post end with u voting billy

I was kind of considering that, but I didn't do it as I feel it'd be easier to lynch him on d2 or d3 if he was scum.

[the worst]

vote count 1.10

Map Wolf (1) : GuiltyLion
Kanna (0) :
GayBabyJailor (0) :
Uncrowned (2) : Kanna, Billy Pilgrim
Non lmh (1) : GayBabyJailor
Billy Pilgrim (3) : Menalque, skitter30, Map Wolf
GuiltyLion (1) : Non lmh
Menalque (0) :
skitter30 (1) : Uncrowned

not voting:

with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

day one will end automatically in (expired on 2019-12-14 11:30:00) or sooner if a lynch is achieved by majority.


mod notes:
- skitter30 v/la weekends
- quack

[Billy Pilgrim]

The speed that uncrowned hopped on your wagon made me think you werent engaging with that slot in bad faith

I've been trying to reconsider Billy and I see skits argument if I'm to assume town!Uncrowned, and this stood out to me as odd - the logic is uncrowned's behavior means skitter wasn't acting in bad faith, which is kinda jank when I scrutinize it, I'm not sure that's really how a townie would think.

Idk though he still sounds town to me tonally and the flip flop feels like it'd be a profoundly sloppy and unforced error if he's scum deciding to do a 180. I might need to check his scum games if he has some

I've got two completed ones. The one where I replaced in is the mini theme game in my past threads. Dont remember the name off the top of my head. And theres a mini normal that I replaced out of. I think it was like 2095. I'm scummy with a guy that didn't post in thread there and then A50 replaced in.

[Menalque]

I’ll be around later today

[Billy Pilgrim]

Well, yeah. If you messed up, I would've been fine with taking my chances and trying to lynch you.

It's not a matter of who is DEFINITELY scum because almost always there'll be a good chance you're wrong. To me it's about finding who is most likely to be scum and go with them, and live with the results.

I'm no expert, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Your reactions to me appeared to be how a new townie would react. It's not 100% but it's what I'm thinking atm.

And yeah, you can call my earlier push unfair. It was desgined to be that way.

I dont think this is consistent with how you were defending yourself in your push with Skitter. When pushing Skitter, you said that she was interfering in your Kanna push and you were scumreading her for it. She said that her push of you was based off her feeling like your Kanna push was unfair. Now you are basically admitting as much.

So why were you scumreading Skitter for calling you out for something you're admitting to?

I'm good with where my vote is. I want this one.

@Skitt - you said like liked the same post from Uncrowned that Guilty did. Why? And what about this one above?

[Billy Pilgrim]

VOTE: Map Wolf

I like this better than Billy and a fair number of people have been suspecting him but not voting him, which makes me think it's a good vote for the gamestate. I also think it's suspect that he gave Kanna a hard time for not voting but hasn't voted anywhere himself since unvoting her a few days ago.

Okay this vote is super opportunistic and your views on me are misleading in my view. I can see a vote for pressure being useful, but at what reason? For giving Kanna a hard time? I didn't give her a hard time, I just wanted to put pressure on her so that something actually happened in the game. If I was scum, I wouldn't even bother create a happening. As for why I haven't voted anyone? I didn't vote Uncrowned as I think he's likely to be town. I considered voting Non Imh, but didn't as I wanted to give the slot a chance.

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim as I think it is likely TvS between him and Uncrowned.

Uh wtf? If you think Guilty is being opportunistic in voting you, how the hell does that translate to voting me?

[Billy Pilgrim]

um, okay, guess we're not on the same page yet nvm
you do you pal,, hell, what do I know,, d1 after all,, gn

ugh, fine whatever, see y'all later

i dont like these posts at all
VOTE: non imh

Yes, those posts are basically meaningless, so how exactly are they scummy?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I'm lost in this game. I feel like theres no solid townblock at all. I'm comfortable with Lion as town. Rereading Kanna, I think she's town. Definitely newbie, but the effort seems town.

Uncrowned is an interesting case. They seem to be talking like a townie, but when I check the logic theres weird gaps. E.g. that thing they just explained with Kanna. Recycling logic from Guilty in places where it doesnt fit. Not answering questions about those places.

I'll concede, non imh is a slot that looks bad because they dont seem to be offering much content.
I dont understand how Map Wolf goes from calling Guilty opportunistic to voting me.

I'm liking Skitter, I'm just confused about the progression from 2 pages ago that I pointed out.

Where the fuck did Mena go?

GBJ also just kinda hanging around.

Folks i just lost my last newbie because town just sort of waited for things to happen. That's the one part of uncrowned's play that I'm liking. He is trying to force the issue. So that much is townie. I just have serious concerns about the substance.

Look, if we dont start generating content soon, scum will win from the passive gamestate. @non - please try a bit more, because if you're town and you're just posting like the last two pages you're an easy mislynch.

[skitter30]

and I think what I did earlier was fail to think about what would be Skitts scum motivation in white knighting all the townies. At some point she's going to have to get mislynches and if she just keeps defending town players that's not going to help her.

Seriously
Both kanna and non are like super viable mislynches for scum!me if they're town, it's a little silly of me to remove those options here as scum

Reading back through Skitters posts on uncrowned, i was way off. Sorry about that. Like I said, i am paranoid about skum Skitter and i let that color my whole view of the game. That was a mistake.

I'll follow up on part of this soonish
But how much of the game did you read when you repped in?

Like i guess i dont entirely follow how your read on me changed so drastically