Newbie 1972 | Game Over

[Karnage]

Vote Count 1.11

Thomth (2) ~

LoserdudeOG, geraintm

faüstiv (2) ~

Uncrowned, the worst

LoserdudeOG (2) ~

Thomth, NaCl

Arkias (1) ~

faüstiv

Not voting (2) ~

Creature, Arkias

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-15 18:22:46)

Mod Notes

geraintm is V/LA on weekends

Replacing faüstiv and thomth.

[the worst]

shit dude
karnage
you're good

[Uncrowned]

Not sure why my post is that small. Also, the arguement that this is a newbie game and that voting to L-1 like that is putting someone far to much in risk of being hammered is very fair. I will remember that.

Do you mean Thomth?

I don't really like his playstyle and wouldn't mind him as a policy lynch, tbh. I feel like it's anti-town.

I'm generally of the belief that that sort of thing can wait until D2 though, or at least late into the D1 phase once we've gotten more discussion going.

To be honest I don't like my playstyle either it goes agaisnt the nature of this game and is way to unconventional to be fun. The game freaks me out and confuses me. I like the game though.

VOTE: faustiv

? Huh, why these and uncrowned vote for faustiv? I’d rather the pressure be kept on thomth at this stage

To be honest, I literally just wanted to throw a RVS vote on the worst and I did not want the fact that my vote would bring them to L-1 to stop me from doing that.

So, to finally answer that question that was posed earlier.

My opinion of Loserdude so far is that he really hasn't... dome much? Reading his posts in ISO just make it seem a lot like he's typed, but really hasn't contributed much. I don't have much of a read on him, NACL, since he's pretty forgettable and head down.

Tomth is the weirder one of the two, for sure.

I disagree ldOG has contributed and I would say he has contributed more then you have. I think what you are actually saying though is that you are not getting anything out of his posts which is fair.

These all feel like townie posts to me. He doesn't seem to have an agenda and tonally he reads as town to me. He didn't seem to care how he was perceived and the L-1 vote was something I think got taken out of proportion and was used to shade him

[Uncrowned]

It's kinda sad we're all getting prodded here and there, right?

Means we have the perfect environment for scum to thrive

Don't worry, I'll...try to change it

This is throwing shade at all the slots that haven't been all that active... while he himself has been part of the problem. It feels like he's throwing little pieces of shade here and there so that, if the opportunity comes up and one of those slots comes under pressure, he has an easy route of joining in on the pressure without it seeming forced.

Then the whole follow up of "don't worry guys I'll try fix this" is just unneeded, feels a little LAMIST.

[Karnage]

Mod Note

Zoomie8432 replaces faustiv

[the worst]

i'll grant that it's LAMISTy - do you think LAMIST is exclusively scummy? i draw attention to townie things i do / intend to do if i think it will improve my readability or the gamestate

sorry if it feels like i'm kinda dragging you through this conversation. to go a couple of levels deeper, i'm really not sure what your thought process is wrt sorting out creature's alignment. i definitely appreciate that his playstyle is pretty unusual and it can be confronting but i think he's alignment told but it feels like you're more preoccupied by his quirks atm.

i'll talk about your thomth townread in a sec.

pedit: hi zoomie !!

[the worst]

sorry, this is hard at work.

in summary:
- 152 & 153 came after a pretty extensive conversation between creature myself and others discussing the idea that thomth is town because he feels carefree/is doing what he wants/has a level of self-awareness but doesn't mind that he's perceived as town. i'd actually say these two are some of his least AI posts at that point; he's kinda just taking metagame level feedback on board and talking about his playstyle holistically. what part of these posts made you go "yeah this dude's a townie"?
- 236 similarly came after a pretty lengthy discussion about his self awareness / the fact he didn't mind the way his vote was perceived; if that wasn't particularly noteworthy to you by comparison to 152/153/236 at this point, did you not view this take as kinda LAMISTy? do you not think scum being misread as town could come into the thread and just post something like 236 literally because it's the reason people are incorrectly townreading them?
- agree 240 is towny

i agree with your conclusion but when you're showing the working out, i'm starting to get a bit nervous.
i feel like a maths teacher fml

[the worst]

i guess based on the samples you've displayed i'm not really following why you are scumreading creature and townreading thomth

if someone picked those quotes out of their ISOs and said "these are their most alignment indicative posts" i'd be calling something like
- creature is concerned about gamestate which is +town
- thomth feels quite disengaged from the game early on which is +scum and overjustifies a vote in 236 but feels townier in 240, maybe like ~null/nullscum

sorry if this exercise feels kinda stupid but like. generally everyone necessarily plays the game in a vacuum so that they can retain an adequate amount of information, which is fine. but the way you're presenting your stances feels like you've reached conclusions and are kinda having a hard time backing them up, you know?

[Uncrowned]

I've just skimmed since I'm on phone, will give a more detailed response later but I'm not SRing Creature yet I'm just noting that what he's doing

[Zoomie8432]

This is my first game, so this is gonna be interesting.

[the worst]

rolled scum on your first game, huh? that's tough

[Zoomie8432]

How can you dismiss me as scum though?

[NaCl]

Sorry, I'm having a bit of an off day today, and I pretty much just skimmed the last page and a half without much attention.

@NaCl My vote on the worst wasn't really a confidence type thing and I honestly was not expecting this reaction. I wasn't antispiating any reaction besides them immediately being unvoted any from L-1.

Sonyou voted for them so that someone else could invite?

This is a do-nothing post.

Regarding Thomth:
I still think he's town, and there's likely 1 scum on his wagon. Arkias is looking townier and townier all the time, I don't really see that he'd vote and then change his mind the next day if he was scum. To be honest, Arkias's posting style really rubs me the wrong way, but I think he's like this in general, from skimming a few of his other games.

I'll try to be more active in the next couple days, sorry.

[the worst]

How can you dismiss me as scum though?

i think your predecessor's posts are scummy (faustiv).
replacing into games is tough; there's often predispositions about the way your predecessor behaved that you have to deal with.

along that line... thank you for replacing in. but just so you know, your predecessor didn't look great.

[Zoomie8432]

Ah, true. Makes sense when I looked back.

[Zoomie8432]

However, he did make some rookie mistakes on some of his posts. That may lead to why that assumption is presumed.

[the worst]

Do you think you'll have time to read up on the game and offer your thoughts on who might be town/scum? We have 4 & a half days left in this phase.

pedit: ah, interesting - what strikes you as a rookie mistake in his posts?

[Zoomie8432]

I was overlooking on what he was putting in, and based on what he said, he was primarily afk, making him seem like he was working on something else, which could lead to some major issues in game. That random vote is a major one too, as random voting can put pressure on you if used against you right.

[the worst]

He was mostly afk, yeah. I'm just not convinced he's town by what he contributed.

I was going to go down this "Do you think he shouldn't have done stuff which brought attention to himself?" rabbit hole with you. Technically that's only a mistake if you intentionally want to fly under the radar, which can be scum indicative. That said I get the feeling you have some experience under your belt and intend to be pretty active?

[Zoomie8432]

Played some Town of Salem, so yeah. I do have some experience in this genre, and yes. This is my first game in this type of way. So I am excited about that.

[Zoomie8432]

Always best to be active, and if you even are scum, to balance out the time between the two. Not saying that I am scum, I'm just saying that as being very non-active can lead to suspicions here.

[Zoomie8432]

Though, I don't quite know how to put things in bold in this forum yet. Mind showing me how?

[Zoomie8432]

Plus, I don't know how to edit these things after posting em. That would be good assistance too. The bold part is so that I can get votes in correctly.

[the worst]

For sure - just use

Code: Select all

[b]this, for[/b] example

spits out:

this, for

example


if you're voting, just use these tags:

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[v]name here[/v]

andddd there's a rule against editing posts ingame - even if it's grammar corrections etc. standard users don't have edit permissions here

[Zoomie8432]

And about unvoting?