Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Pretentious]

Fuck it.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Creature and GL just look like such blatant mislynches to me.

So do you prefer no lynch?

No, i prefer a lynch we can make happen over a mislynch.

[Pretentious]

Datisi, af, and dog watch likely have scum in them as well, I’ve stated this, and they’re on Creature, albeit on the end, but still.

[Iconeum]

i'll probably end up voting Creature here tho

because lynch is better then no lynch :s

[alimdia]

@GL you have lately been displaying a kind of transparency that is looking more townie to me, I think you’ve been very levelheaded in defending yourself from an aggressive wagon and the more I read you the more my mind frames your posts as town perspective, if that makes sense. Your willingness to be wrong about alimida looks town considering the spot you were in at the time, I think scum would usually handle that differently?

UNVOTE: GL

I mentioned it before but I don’t see us getting anywhere with that today. Amrun made a good case for letting him sort himself out, and I agree with it. You don’t always vote your biggest scum read, sometimes you vote the scum read that has the best chance of flipping.

I don’t know who I’m scum reading right now. I thought amrun’s response to my vote was level headed and made sense. I don’t think my vote was particularly well reasoned. At the very least I don’t like her at L-1 right now.

UNVOTE: amrun

Leaning slightly scum on GL now, but I only skimmed his posts today so I need to go back through him. Creature I’m still leaning scum on slightly.

@amrun, you said earlier this looked like town!creature based on experience. Where are you now with him? I used to think he was easy to sort but I haven’t been here in years.

Everyone's response to DogWatch makes sense , is levelheaded etc etc after the wagon dissipates.

[alimdia]

Dont like resurrecting the amrun wagon. No creature post since his return has improved his position in my mind and I think I’m parking here:

VOTE: creature

Maybe I should put Creature on L1, dissapate that wagon and see what happens

[Iconeum]

it's pretty much a done deal at this point

either we choose to no lynch, or we lynch creature

i don't think any alternate options are viable

[GuiltyLion]

I can't fathom how no lynching would be better than lynching Creature idc how strong anybody's townread is. like even if he's town and you're scum (general you, not speaking to Ico or anybody else specifically here rn) nobody's gonna scumread you for voting him at this point, let's just make sure we have a flip

[Iconeum]

i'm not worried about being scumread for voting creature here lol

i'm just slowly settling into the conclusion that it is in fact the only remaining option for me today

[Iconeum]

Meh it's partly my own fault for not taking a more active role earlier

VOTE: Creature

[GuiltyLion]

I disagree there’s no signs of him being lynched. Scum are probably purposefully waiting off the wagon. DDL fits that bill.

Scum don’t pile up on wagons when it’s stalled. It’s stalled because scum are being inactive about his wagon. If he was scum there would e more friction around his wagon rather than just the stagnant. Scum are content with how the game is going right now. Town on a deadline are generally likely to just go along with it, and scum could stay off the vote count for wagonomic purposes. It’s easiest to do that early game, and is a play scum can make.

this is yuck

if Creature is town why does scum!DDL vote him then vote hop off at deadline? Like I guess maybe you could say DDL is trying to get a no lynch to push Creature again tomorrow but I still think good odds enough people get their heads on straight and we lynch Creature anyway

scum definitely don't seem to want to vote Creature but what's missing in the second paragraph is why that makes Creature town?? Like if "scum are content" with Creature mislynch then either they're already voting Creature (in which case townies off-wagon should be deadline compromising) or they don't think they'll get scumread for

not

voting Creature (in which case this wagon is town driven but stalled??) but how often do you really see a wagon on an ISO like Creature's this game get stuck for a solid 2 days before deadline? Regardless of Creature's alignment I think scum got caught off the wagon and now don't know how to jump on it gracefully (pause here to note that I didn't find DogWatch's hop on particularly graceful), probably mixed with some townies in {Smart, Ico, tex, Menalque, alimdia} who are either not here or just not voting Creature for whatever reason.

this post would actually look better on a Creature scumflip cause I don't think I believe you try to save a buddy so half-assedly like this at the last minute, but if Creature flips town this reeks of scum who knows he's a mislynch trying to avoid the wagon for bs reasons. but idk even that's bad play, so maybe Pretentious is just town?? it's a bad post and potentially scummy, that's where I'm landing with this.

[GuiltyLion]

Like I guess maybe you could say DDL is trying to get a no lynch to push Creature again tomorrow but I still think good odds enough people get their heads on straight and we lynch Creature anyway

and this doesn't even really make sense either because DDL expressed a townread on Creature multiple times throughout so like... why does scum!DDL vote him at all then if his plan was to just not get involved with this wagon?

[Datisi]

Fuck it.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Creature and GL just look like such blatant mislynches to me.

If GL looks like a blatant mislynch to you, where were you when his wagon was building? The only post I could find was 880, and that isn't exactly too strong of a defense of someone you think is a "blatant" mislynch.

No, i prefer a lynch we can make happen over a mislynch.

So, your idea of "making a lynch happen" is parking your vote on the dude who's had one vote on him previously, whose main pusher was supposed to be making a case but is nowhere to be seen, with people expressing that they do not want to vote for him, with ~10h on the clock, and then doing nothing else about it.

[Datisi]

Sala, what changed from posts like these:

Also Datisi is living to D2 unless mafia has a gun or shes the NK.

Datish
Amrun
DrDolittle
AaronFrost

Pick one to lynch

Datisi, the wagon that started it all, the wagon Menal wants, and the wagon Menal diverted the amrun wagon with.

Fucking hate all of this

To this?

Right now I think Menal is town, SS is my super serious partner in crime until further notice, GL looks towny, Pretentious/DDL/Icon/Tex die before endgame. DW is slimy, Almidia idk, Datisi is questionable.

[Iconeum]

sala!scum

[Pretentious]

Gain some courage, y’all

[Pretentious]

I don’t have bad posts in that fashion as scum.

You don’t get 10 scum victories in a calendar year with scum posts like that.

This is pure town

[Iconeum]

should be a good D2

now 1 more vote on Creature

[Pretentious]

I’d rather Datisi lynch, and that last post of them makes DDL-Datisi likely

[Iconeum]

I don’t have bad posts in that fashion as scum.

You don’t get 10 scum victories in a calendar year with scum posts like that

.

This is pure town

[Pretentious]

Yeah, I get a pure amount of unadulterated bliss when I think of that too

[Datisi]

"i'm not this crap as scum" is a great argument indeed

[Iconeum]

Instead of boasting, can you reply to actual posts, Pret?

[Pretentious]

:shrug: happens every single one of my town games.

I value high level scum play, and every time someone tries to make a case like that on me when I’m town, it’s quite baffling.

[Pretentious]

Instead of boasting, can you reply to actual posts, Pret?

I said my bit. I explained my reasonings for town Creature, and he did exactly as I said he would do if he were town in a non forced way.

I don’t agree with the Creature lynch. If you think I’m scum who knows it’s a mislynch, you’re wrong.

I’m just town with a likely accurate read.

I’ve misread him on occasion, sure. I’ve been in a similar situation here where I’v heard read him as town, and he ended up being scum.

I still value going with my read when I feel this strongly about it. I can correctly read him more than the times I read him incorrectly.

And the places I have been pushing, positioning wise, ScumCreature would have died by now.

Scum likely have a spot off the wagon, and are content waiting for town to hammer.

[Pretentious]

It’s not boasting, it’s just pure facts.

If it makes me look good, so be it, but I bring up my mishappenings, and misplays throughout games as well.