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[skitter30]

I think scum is probably all in (uncrowned, map wolf, non Imh, billy)

Why do you think that for non Imh & billy?

Also, if you think that doing a push on a new player is scummy, then I'd disagree.

I don't really like billy's entrance/skitt push

non imh is ellitelling this game

why didn't you ask about yourself or uncrowned?

It looks like non imh stopped ellitelling after you made this post. What do you make of that?

Well that may have been because their vla basically ended.

I'm more concerned with their content after they showed back up again

[skitter30]

You need to explain this first part better. That's the opposite of opportunism. If anything hed be creating the opportunity rather than exploiting it.

I've noticed that newbies and people from other sites have a different definition for 'oppurtunistic' than how we use it in current site meta

[skitter30]

Hmmm I kinda like 301 on first pass

ya i kinda do too

can i interest you in billy?

How'd you get from 312 to here? 301 was already down, and so was 303. So what swung you from thinking uncrowned was worse to me?

.... i hadnt read 301 yet when i wrote 312

[Uncrowned]

I'mma reread the game and see where I wanna push

Don't think I'm gonna get anything out of my Skitter vote and I think at this point they're more likely town than scum and my read was probably a clash of playstyles rather than anything truly AI

instincts telling me to sheep GL's vote on Map Wolf but gonna hold off on that for a sec

[skitter30]

I was kind of considering that, but I didn't do it as I feel it'd be easier to lynch him on d2 or d3 if he was scum.

I dont understand.

Why do u think it would be easier to lynch gl later and why does it preclude you from voting him today when yoh suspect him

[skitter30]

As for being cared how I'm perceived? Not really. GBJ already tried this train of thought on me and it didn't work. If I'm the lynch today it doesn't really matter. If I'm lynched or NKed, D2 if I were you guys I'd be more concerned with getting something out of the less active slots (Non Imh) or those demonstrating passive play (GBJ) without really having a reason to do so.

@ billy this part in particular rings true to me ^

[skitter30]

Oh let's talk about why you're paranoid of me @billy

[Billy Pilgrim]

and I think what I did earlier was fail to think about what would be Skitts scum motivation in white knighting all the townies. At some point she's going to have to get mislynches and if she just keeps defending town players that's not going to help her.

Seriously
Both kanna and non are like super viable mislynches for scum!me if they're town, it's a little silly of me to remove those options here as scum

Reading back through Skitters posts on uncrowned, i was way off. Sorry about that. Like I said, i am paranoid about skum Skitter and i let that color my whole view of the game. That was a mistake.

I'll follow up on part of this soonish
But how much of the game did you read when you repped in?

Like i guess i dont entirely follow how your read on me changed so drastically

I had read it and even taken notes, but I did it quickly and I did it at like 3 in the morning after a game of Eldritch Horror. I was not in a mental space to do it, so I shouldnt have done it.

And yay open 769 is over so now I can say that I'm paranoid about Scum Skitt because I've seen her in action. I'm even more afraid because she said that was a bad game for her. Theres an ability to come off natural despite being full of shit. So I think I came into the game conf!biasing you to scum. When uncrowned did another vote hop onto someone that was being voted by someone else, it snapped me out of biasing you toward scum.

Yes, it was unnatural, because i was probably forcing you into a scumread and him jumping on that alerted me to that likelihood. The rest of your play has been townie, and I was wrong about Kanna.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Hmmm I kinda like 301 on first pass

ya i kinda do too

can i interest you in billy?

How'd you get from 312 to here? 301 was already down, and so was 303. So what swung you from thinking uncrowned was worse to me?

.... i hadnt read 301 yet when i wrote 312

Huh? You responded to his post saying he kinda likes 301 on first pass by saying you kinda do too? What was that in reference to on your part then?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I think scum is probably all in (uncrowned, map wolf, non Imh, billy)

Why do you think that for non Imh & billy?

Also, if you think that doing a push on a new player is scummy, then I'd disagree.

I don't really like billy's entrance/skitt push

non imh is ellitelling this game

why didn't you ask about yourself or uncrowned?

It looks like non imh stopped ellitelling after you made this post. What do you make of that?

Well that may have been because their vla basically ended.

I'm more concerned with their content after they showed back up again

You think its scummy? I mean its bizarre, but I dont see any agenda there.

[skitter30]

uncrowned's probably worse

also i didn't realize we had less than four days left, this is probably the point where we start consolidating, i think

Hmmm I kinda like 301 on first pass

ya i kinda do too

can i interest you in billy?

I read 301 between these two posts ^

312 was based on the page before iirc

[Billy Pilgrim]

As for being cared how I'm perceived? Not really. GBJ already tried this train of thought on me and it didn't work. If I'm the lynch today it doesn't really matter. If I'm lynched or NKed, D2 if I were you guys I'd be more concerned with getting something out of the less active slots (Non Imh) or those demonstrating passive play (GBJ) without really having a reason to do so.

@ billy this part in particular rings true to me ^

Yeah, but I saw him being pretty defensive wrt his interaction with Kanna. I think it shows that he knows what hes supposed to say, but I'm not seeing that attitude refl ed acted through his play.

[skitter30]

You think its scummy? I mean its bizarre, but I dont see any agenda there.

It's bizarre but i have reason to believe he is capable of posting coherently

[Billy Pilgrim]

You think its scummy? I mean its bizarre, but I dont see any agenda there.

It's bizarre but i have reason to believe he is capable of posting coherently

One that you can disclose?

[Uncrowned]

I like explaining what im tryna achieve with my actions after the dialogue is over

I can see a world where people view that as being defensive I guess

[skitter30]

So you were just paranouid of me due to 769 and disliked my reads so voted me, and when i pointed that out and uncrowned voted me, you realized u were wrong?

[skitter30]

You think its scummy? I mean its bizarre, but I dont see any agenda there.

It's bizarre but i have reason to believe he is capable of posting coherently

One that you can disclose?

No, not at this time

[Billy Pilgrim]

So you were just paranouid of me due to 769 and disliked my reads so voted me, and when i pointed that out and uncrowned voted me, you realized u were wrong?

Yup.

[skitter30]

Uncrowned has this super like ~self-aware~ and ~pensive~ and ~self-reflecting~ tone that is weird but probably not scummy?

[skitter30]

So you were just paranouid of me due to 769 and disliked my reads so voted me, and when i pointed that out and uncrowned voted me, you realized u were wrong?

Yup.

I have to think about how i feel about this

[Billy Pilgrim]

I like explaining what im tryna achieve with my actions after the dialogue is over

I can see a world where people view that as being defensive I guess

Doesnt answer my question about why you would scumread Skitter for calling your push of Kanna unfair when according to your most recent post you knew it was unfair.

[skitter30]

Huh

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

[Billy Pilgrim]

So you were just paranouid of me due to 769 and disliked my reads so voted me, and when i pointed that out and uncrowned voted me, you realized u were wrong?

Yup.

I have to think about how i feel about this

That's fine, take your time. I think you've modded a few of my games. This isnt that out of the ordinary for me. When I realize I was conf!biasing toward something I can spin on a dime.

One of my most effective scum hunting techniques is the quick follow vote. I think it's how I caught both my scum lynches (which are unfortunately too rare). It was Spangled in like Newbie 1950, and I used that same piece of information within the PoE to prefer a Heavy Anaconda lynch before Bepwei in my last newbie game, which I think you did mod. I didnt realize at the time that's why I wanted him first, but I remember that Bep had been the first to case me. After the Heavy flip I realized that if someone quickly follows a vote onto someone with logic that didnt originate with them, that's where I want to pressure. So at that point it didnt matter that you were voting there. I moved so fast I didnt even count the votes first (whoops - almost my second accidental hammer in 2 weeks).

[skitter30]

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