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[Menalque]

why is billy "seems town" when all your other town reads are "town"

[Menalque]

lmao I think it may actually just be billy + gbj

[GayBabyJailor]

because he seems town

[Menalque]

strong answer gbj

[Menalque]

convenient timing to turn up too

[GayBabyJailor]

convenient timing to turn up too

excuse me i dont get off work until 7

i havent even read anyones iso yet

[Menalque]

that's like not at all what I mean

what I mean is you've been super lurky and then pop up within like no time of me voting for you

[GayBabyJailor]

Not sure if that's something she does as town or if it's a potential scum trying to get towncred from the people she's defending.

This "not sure if [x] or [y]" business needs to stop - not just you in particular but in Mafia games across this site in general. It's one or the other and you should be giving an opinion on which you think it is, not just summarizing some possibilities.

I see town motive in her pressuring me to see if my intentions were genuine, even if I didn't like the way she did it, and I see town motive in defending Kanna from being voted or pushed for bad reasons. I think on the whole it's town indicative mindset and skitter didn't particularly need any towncred from Kanna at the time she went to bat for her like that, so I disagree with your possible scum!motive.

Pretty sure the fact that I'm voting Skitter when I could've put the counter-wagon to my wagon (Billy) on L-1 at one stage in the game tells you all you need to know about my alignment.

Not really. There's all sorts of possibilities here and this single fact doesn't really push me in any direction:
1) Town you might have a stronger read on Skitter than Billy
2) You might be afraid of being perceived as desperate to survive voting your counter-wagon, as either alignment
3) Scum you might be afraid of fighting with Billy because you think that will spew him town when he is the main counter to you

I'm most interested in times when I disagree with scumreads and why, cause I think generally townies should be as honest as possible about who they suspect and scumreads are the hardest thing for scum to convincingly fake. I will grant you that it's possible that town!you was going in on Kanna extra hard to push her and I'm glad we both agree that she's town. So are you saying that you didn't actually think she felt threatened and you were just embellishing that solely to push her?

VOTE: Map Wolf

I like this better than Billy and a fair number of people have been suspecting him but not voting him, which makes me think it's a good vote for the gamestate. I also think it's suspect that he gave Kanna a hard time for not voting but hasn't voted anywhere himself since unvoting her a few days ago.

heres the posts i like from gl

[GayBabyJailor]

VOTE: Lion

any scumreads outside of me/skit?

lol, haven't read jack and still getting bad vibes from you Lion
brb gonna ISO

hhahahahahahahaa
I'm the one you're really gunning for aren't ya?
can basically feel you setting the pieces in place

ROFL @Lion still having it in for me after I gave him well over three days to find her partner. it was R.V.S. bro, I legit didn't even read it,,
saying shit like 'likely' to come from scum
aahahahahahahaahahaaaaahahahahaha

*sigh* well, you still have about 4 days before you get nk'ed, best of luck Lion

um, okay, guess we're not on the same page yet nvm
you do you pal,, hell, what do I know,, d1 after all,, gn

wait, you are town right?

ugh, fine whatever, see y'all later

i dont like these non imh posts

[the worst]

vote count 1.12

Map Wolf (0) :
Kanna (0) :
GayBabyJailor (2) : Menalque, GuiltyLion
Uncrowned (1) : Kanna
Non lmh (2) : GayBabyJailor, Billy Pilgrim
Billy Pilgrim (1) : Map Wolf
GuiltyLion (1) : Non lmh
Menalque (0) :
skitter30 (1) : Uncrowned

not voting: skitter30

with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

day one will end automatically in (expired on 2019-12-14 11:30:00) or sooner if a lynch is achieved by majority.


mod notes:
- skitter30 v/la weekends
- quack

[GayBabyJailor]

convenient timing to turn up too

VOTE: Mena

good day to all)

I don't like this post, Menalque had already posted yet the vote is made without any engagement + greeting the thread felt awkward

VOTE: Non Imh

vote was without intention, greeting was genuine

do you have any thoughts on the happenings thus far? what do you think of gl's questioning of you?

pushing me was fine IMO, reasoning felt contrived

yeah I think this is p nuanced for newbie scum

hhahahahahahahaa
I'm the one you're really gunning for aren't ya?
can basically feel you setting the pieces in place

this feels too much like it's drawing pointless attention as scum, so more likely to be town that actually doesn't care that much

yup, @all, read baby/lion/(billy-crown-non) in ISO

you can read three ppl together by scrolling all the way down,,
click the [+] symbol next to where it says "Display posts by user", can read three ISO's concurrently,,

either I'm crazy paranoid or these two bros be talking and propping up and priming players, all for me lil old me, and boy are they good

so yeah, I still like where my vote stands Baby

p-edit
too lazy to quote rn,

so y'all do it as homework
kthxbai

this is vaguely obnoxious in a way that I think scum tends to avoid considering they need to win people over

also think he's actually trying to scumhunt in the first bit

you should prepare yourself for when lion comes back crown

and lmao, should have listened buddy,, should.have.listened.

um,, was it all in my head???

hello?????

ugh, fine whatever, see y'all later

I think all of these are tonally town

don't understand the townread on Kanna, just from reading her ISO

agree on Kanna

strong answer gbj

heres posts i dont like from mena
maybe we're just having a clash here, but i think non-effort is a scumtell, hypocritical i know but non just seems scum to me

[Billy Pilgrim]

Do you realize that you can push people before SRing them? If you were to only push people that you purely SR then you'd probably end up losing every single game. Pushing can be used to determine TRs and SRs. It didn't happen to do the latter for either of my targets.

I also don't recall saying you ever interfered in my push. I remember saying that to Skitter.

Shit you're right. I dont know why I thought you had said that to me. Maybe you are town. I need to look at your slot tomorrow.

[Map Wolf]

I was kind of considering that, but I didn't do it as I feel it'd be easier to lynch him on d2 or d3 if he was scum.

I dont understand.

Why do u think it would be easier to lynch gl later and why does it preclude you from voting him today when yoh suspect him

It doesn't really preclude me from voting him. It's more that I sort of liked to assume that he wasn't scum, even though he clearly could be.

[Map Wolf]

I also see his play as similar to 1965.
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I kind of feel like Non Imh would be an acceptable lynch. However, what I don't like is that the people voting them are people that might be scum... Makes me feel like scum might try to push them in order to get the easiest mislynch.

VOTE: Gbj

[Map Wolf]

hey im finally online

billy: seems town
guilty: town
kanna: town
mapwolf:town
skitter: null
uncrowned: mixed
mena: mixed
non imh: scum

Like imagine if scumteam is Gbj/Billy. "Seems town" could in theory be a really bad scumslip in that case. Why the "seems" town? Why not just "town" or mixed/null like the other reads on this list? What if this is just "I can't justify townreading this guy, but I still want to try and defend him somehow".

I might be reading too much into this though, but still... This post is just kind of weird if town.

[Kanna]

I've only had a quick readthrough but this GBJ wagon is super fishy.

[Uncrowned]

Expand on why you think that

[Non lmh]

VOTE: Non
yeah Kanna, explain

[Kanna]

Expand on why you think that

1) the speed was insane
2) Mena didn't even explain why GBJ was his highest scumread but 2 people sheeped him
3) This isn't really a point but I don't agree about GBJ and I'll explain later

[Map Wolf]

Expand on why you think that

1) the speed was insane
2) Mena didn't even explain why GBJ was his highest scumread but 2 people sheeped him
3) This isn't really a point but I don't agree about GBJ and I'll explain later

Don't agree here.

1) We need some speed if we want to have something meaningful happen.
2) I chose between the top wagons, GBJ and Non Imh. I chose GBJ as I don't really trust the people on the other wagon.

[Kanna]

^Ok, that was fair, I'll give you that. But seriously why GBJ? Imo, they haven't really been scummy, and I think their tone is pretty townie.

I can't help but think this is a last minute mislynch for scum.

[Menalque]

^Ok, that was fair, I'll give you that. But seriously why GBJ? Imo, they haven't really been scummy, and I think their tone is pretty townie.

I can't help but think this is a last minute mislynch for scum

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why tho

[Menalque]

also that implies fairly strongly that non imh is scum doesn't it, so why are you voting uncrowned?

[the worst]

quack?

[the worst]

quack