In post 371, Uncrowned wrote:
I agree with the placement, I think. I'd probably have you toward as a weak TL/bordering on null, but that's because I'm not really confident in assessing your game tbh.
However, the reasoning isn't all that great. The "I liked you at the start" while giving no examples or anything is too vague for my liking. I don't really think it's fair for me to comment on him being paranoid about your helping of newer players though, since there's every chance he just hasn't played with you in this queue and doesn't know how you operate here.
Okay, to be more specific about that, I skimmed through one of your recent scumgames and compared your early ISO in both games, and I didn't feel like you were the same in that game, your questions had more depth to them here. And to be honest, I hadn't really been following the thing between you and TW that closely because I'd thought you were both town and I was slightly reconsidering on that. But I've been really busy this week and haven't had time to put too much effort into this game, so I didn't look into it that much initially, but since it's been going on for so long, I think it could have been something.
In either case, I'm not interested in lynching either of you today.
In post 359, the worst wrote: In post 356, NaCl wrote:The Worst is someone who I also liked initially, but I'm somewhat put off by his excessive helping of newbies. I think it's possible that it's a thing to subtly improve their opinion of him. It's not necessarily scummy, though, as this is a newbie game. TW, do you have a town game where you do this you could link to?
Yeah I'll link my town newbie games when I get home. It's a pretty common factor, and something I did much more heavily back when the IC role was a thing.
I rolled scum as an SE in a newbie pretty recently and found it kinda difficult to coach newbies as effectively as I can when I'm town but that's whatever, it's probably more of a mood thing than an alignment thing
Do you have a read on my actual content though? Sorry to be prickly but you're basically stating that you think me taking the SE role seriously is scum indicative and that's pretty heavily souring my ability to treat your reads as credible
I like what you've been doing about your questioning, that seems pretty useful. I think you were trying to bait a wagon on Uncrowned early on which is why I also voted him in that point where RVS was semi-over, and see what would happen. The main thing that bothered me was that it felt like you were buddying up to people, but if you do that as either alignment, then it doesn't really matter. I don't see why you'd think I was trying to shade you or something like that when it's an easily answerable question.
In post 376, Uncrowned wrote: In post 373, the worst wrote: In post 371, Uncrowned wrote:
I agree with the placement, I think. I'd probably have you toward as a weak TL/bordering on null, but that's because I'm not really confident in assessing your game tbh.
However, the reasoning isn't all that great. The "I liked you at the start" while giving no examples or anything is too vague for my liking. I don't really think it's fair for me to comment on him being paranoid about your helping of newer players though, since there's every chance he just hasn't played with you in this queue and doesn't know how you operate here.
Cool
VOTE: NaCl
I had a feeling your placement was pretty similar but I found NaCl's reasoning kinda slimy - if you were on a similar page I might have needed to really check my reads but I think NaCl is likely just scum
NaCl/Ark > zoomie as wildcard
I'm not sure if you agree here, but I just think it's way too "open" like I said earlier. It's just semi-shading a bunch of slots and seeing what lands with the crowd. I didn't like it.
In post 374, the worst wrote:I'd probs rather push Arkias but they're more lynchable than readable because of the deadline and v/la-ness
To be honest I've kinda forgotten about Arkias and need to recap on that slot before I make a push like that. Deadline is getting a lil close so I'll do that soon. Still got a few hours tonight to do a quick catch up
In post 379, the worst wrote:Thomth - spoken about this a fair bit
geraintm - gerain is a bit of a wildcard; don't think he's exhibited a lot of things which are necessarily towny/difficult for scum to fake, but I feel like his approach to the game has been fairly earnest. he doesn't look like he's playing a manipulative gameplan, just kinda doing his thing.
LoserdudeOG - I actually like LDoG a fair bit - if anyone wants a case on this I'll boot up the pc
Uncrowned - just probably town
Zoomie8432 faüstiv - :shrug:
Arkias - I think Ark posts reasonably well under pressure but in retrospect I think they're actually posting to end the pressuring engagements; when left to their own devices they are kinda scummy and I guess I've kinda pressed them to answer a few things which pinged me most recently
the worst - too cute to be scum
Creature - should not be anyone's toptown read but has dropped some minor creature towntells. the meta of "creature who posts is town" is about 12-18 months outdated and you actually need to analyse his content now. but hey in a vacuum I'm kinda leaning town
NaCl - I think his reads are kinda consensusy; it feels like he's kinda posting to be running with the pack but when he actually tries to explain original thoughts I don't really buy the thought process
I would like to hear your opinion on Ldog, since he's one of my stronger scumreads. And as for me, I don't think I've been in the middle of the pack. I consider some slots to be safely town, yes. But I don't see how I'm holding a consensus opinion when it comes to Ldog, Thomth (or now Arkias). If anything, I think I was one of the first people to be townreading Thomth. I can't be going for a consensus opinion when I'm the first one to have it. And being bad at explaining my thought process doesn't mean I don't have one.
I am rather bad at communicating, so if there's a person you want to hear more about ask me.
Also, regarding Arkias removing his vote. I agree that the motivation you mentioned is reasonable, that scum just needs a mislynch. And that is correct. But at the time, there were 3 wagons, one of which was Thomth and he put all of them at 2 votes. It is possible he unvoted rather than move to a different wagon because faustiv or Ldog was his partner, and didn't want to tip the largest wagon to there. But if he is scum and the other wagons are on townies, then why would he want to get his vote off the wagon in the first place? I just don't see what the advantage was to scum. Yes, it's likely that the Thomth wagon wasn't going anywhere. I think the greatest scum motivation for something like that would be that another scumbuddy is on the wagon (which is why I was saying earlier that Arkias could be scum on the Thomth wagon, but not likely to be the only scum) and he wanted to disassociate himself from that.
And regarding your Thomth read, when did he go so high in your opinion? Last I remember was that you were feeling he was kind of towny in some ways and kind of scummy in others, and suddenly he's at the front of the pack?
@Karnage, since it's been a couple days without Thomth, will there be a deadline extension due to the replacement?
~if no sub replaces in when the deadline hits 3 days (approx 9 hours from now, 5pm EST) I will freeze the deadline until a replacement is found.
