Newbie 1972 | Game Over

[Zoomie8432]

While pressured, he may clear up his case somewhat well. However, I do find that in his time left to his own actions, he does have some scummy actions.

[Zoomie8432]

I know being submissive is a issue in some of our parts, but 271 is a bit much. He could have had some specific problems, even outside of bad play.

[Karnage]

Vote Count 1.15

Thomth (2) ~

LoserdudeOG, geraintm

LoserdudeOG (2) ~

Thomth, NaCl

NaCl (2) ~

Creature, the worst

Zoomie8432 (1) ~

Uncrowned

Arkias (1) ~

Zoomie8432

Not voting (1) ~

Arkias

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-15 18:22:46)

Mod Notes

geraintm is V/LA on weekends

Arkias is V/LA through Friday Dec 13th

Replacing thomth...

[Karnage]

Mod Note

Alexcellent replaces Thomth

[Alexcellent]

What's up diggity-dogs, I'm the new Thomth. I've been skimming but let me get proper caught up

[geraintm]

What's up diggity-dogs, I'm the new Thomth. I've been skimming but let me get proper caught up

New Thomth, same as the old Thomth....

VOTE: Alexcellent

[Zoomie8432]

So, Alexcellent is at L-2.

[Zoomie8432]

Oh, nevermind. You already voted for him before. Best to remember votes stay on the player, regardless of replacing.

[Alexcellent]

Cool, this started quick.

VOTE: Uncrowned

I would vote the worst, although I don't really want to put him at L-1 so early.

Don't like this

I don't like that he seemed worried about there being 2 votes on his wagon, and his argument seemed weird. That it was statistically unlikely for someone to hit scum with their RVS votes is not something I consider relevant when I'd make my RVS vote, and it felt like he's kind of softly saying uncrowned should take his vote away for that reason.

And don't like the explanation, but I might be reading TW/Uncr page 1 interactions differently. I didn't get worried vibes from TW.

[Alexcellent]

Sup Arkais, sorry u got NKed last time :’(

It's alright. Reading the Mafia Thread showed it was clearly between taking Dunn at face value vs me. I'd have done the same, and killed myself too.


Also, how on earth do we have the Worst at L-1 already?

Personally though, I want to know more about Uncrowned. His posts so far rub me the wrong way.

VOTE: Uncrowned

Don't like this either. Reads like you don't like the L-1 vote, but you don't have any follow-up comment about it or about Thomth for doing it, and then put a pretty vague vote on Uncrowned.

[Alexcellent]

Hehe got a hot take

Thomth is just lynchbait

Creature is town

[Alexcellent]

TheWorst feels like town. TheWorst/Uncrowned interactions kind of feel like a couple of townies talking. But not as certain about Uncrowned. Feels slightly defensive and I don't know what that means.

[Alexcellent]

Do you mean Thomth?

I don't really like his playstyle and wouldn't mind him as a policy lynch, tbh. I feel like it's anti-town.

I'm generally of the belief that that sort of thing can wait until D2 though, or at least late into the D1 phase once we've gotten more discussion going.

Policy lynch talk around only 5 pages in??

[Alexcellent]

no replacing happening under my watch

what's the crack

VOTE: Arkias

I think him coming in late would've been fine if he read the game and had input to give.

Coming in, naked voting and providing nothing more has definitely gotten my attention.

maybe I have read the game and my vote is a reflection of that.

Yeah, this is kind of shit? But also, it's so blatantly shit that I'm having a hard time scum reading it

[Alexcellent]

I don't actually have much to say, because I feel like I've solved things in my head kind of, and I'm feeling like {Creature, Uncrowned, Thomth, TW} are town. I'm kind of thinking Arkias is scum as well, but Arkias and TW are the slots I'm least sure on. But I keep having doubts on this, though. Still, I think that can be dealt with later, and right now I want to lynch Loserdude the most out of my non-town pool. VOTE: Loserdude

TW, did you explain why you voted Uncrowned? I missed it if you did. I actually didn't really believe he was scum when I voted him, I was mostly doing so because I was curious if anyone would move from you to him, or vote him in general.

Creature, I think you have too many townreads and should re-evaluate. I'm really not seeing anything from Loserdude that make me think he's town, although I do agree with your assessment on Thomth. To me, he doesn't seem to actually care about trying to find scum, and feels like he's taking a stance to try and not get directly involved in positions where he can be questioned.

This rubbing me the wrong way, like a lot. You claim to have solved things in your head, yet you leave so many options open and are so vague. You include TW in your town reads, but also say you're the least sure about them???? You think Arkias is scum, but are also unsure. You don't want to explain any of this and you just vote for Loserdude because I guess of a lack of anything appearing to be town in his posts. But you don't point to anything scummy that he's said or any specifics. This is heaps dodgy.

VOTE: NaCL

[Alexcellent]

I don't actually have much to say, because I feel like I've solved things in my head kind of, and I'm feeling like {Creature, Uncrowned, Thomth, TW} are town. I'm kind of thinking Arkias is scum as well, but Arkias and TW are the slots I'm least sure on. But I keep having doubts on this, though. Still, I think that can be dealt with later, and right now I want to lynch Loserdude the most out of my non-town pool. VOTE: Loserdude

TW, did you explain why you voted Uncrowned? I missed it if you did. I actually didn't really believe he was scum when I voted him, I was mostly doing so because I was curious if anyone would move from you to him, or vote him in general.

Creature, I think you have too many townreads and should re-evaluate. I'm really not seeing anything from Loserdude that make me think he's town, although I do agree with your assessment on Thomth. To me, he doesn't seem to actually care about trying to find scum, and feels like he's taking a stance to try and not get directly involved in positions where he can be questioned.

Not seeing anything from me that makes you think I’m town means I HAVE to be scum. What a joke. Are you covering for your scumbuddy??

Having said that, this is a pretty bad reaction to being voted. But can also see this reaction coming from town. So probably nothing to see here?

[Alexcellent]

Well, I did give my reasoning for why my vote's on you. And that's mostly it, I guess. I don't feel super confident that I caught you as scum,

but I feel fairly confident in my townreads despite the early stage,

so it's more of a process of elimination at this point.

I don't actually have much to say, because I feel like I've solved things in my head kind of, and I'm feeling like {Creature, Uncrowned, Thomth,

TW

} are town. I'm kind of thinking Arkias is scum as well, but Arkias and

TW

are the slots I'm least sure on.

It seems like you aren't that confident though?

[Alexcellent]

I'm not sure about NaCl. I think I'm open to Thomth/Faustiv lynches but think we need to hear more from both of them.

Yeah I'm not really a fan of the push on Thomth. Feel like it's too easy.

What changed your opinion Uncrowned?

[Zoomie8432]

Btw, I replaced Faustiv.

[Alexcellent]

Not sure why my post is that small. Also, the arguement that this is a newbie game and that voting to L-1 like that is putting someone far to much in risk of being hammered is very fair. I will remember that.

Do you mean Thomth?

I don't really like his playstyle and wouldn't mind him as a policy lynch, tbh. I feel like it's anti-town.

I'm generally of the belief that that sort of thing can wait until D2 though, or at least late into the D1 phase once we've gotten more discussion going.

To be honest I don't like my playstyle either it goes agaisnt the nature of this game and is way to unconventional to be fun. The game freaks me out and confuses me. I like the game though.

VOTE: faustiv

? Huh, why these and uncrowned vote for faustiv? I’d rather the pressure be kept on thomth at this stage

To be honest, I literally just wanted to throw a RVS vote on the worst and I did not want the fact that my vote would bring them to L-1 to stop me from doing that.

So, to finally answer that question that was posed earlier.

My opinion of Loserdude so far is that he really hasn't... dome much? Reading his posts in ISO just make it seem a lot like he's typed, but really hasn't contributed much. I don't have much of a read on him, NACL, since he's pretty forgettable and head down.

Tomth is the weirder one of the two, for sure.

I disagree ldOG has contributed and I would say he has contributed more then you have. I think what you are actually saying though is that you are not getting anything out of his posts which is fair.

These all feel like townie posts to me. He doesn't seem to have an agenda and tonally he reads as town to me. He didn't seem to care how he was perceived and the L-1 vote was something I think got taken out of proportion and was used to shade him

Okay nvm my previous post, I'm still catching up

He didn't seem to care how he was perceived and the L-1 vote was something I think got taken out of proportion and was used to shade him

Wern't you amongst the people wanting to lynch him?
Who do you feel were using his L-1 vote to shade him?

[Alexcellent]

Okay, Tomths final posts made me get some slight town reads from him, although at the same time I didn’t like how he was playing the “middle of the road” game. That plus the self deprication really made it look like he was going for LAMIST. Atm I’m doubting if that means he’s scum or not, could be his playstyle. Sad to see him go .

Because of my doubts of Tomth I’m leaning more towards voting Arkais or Nacl. Gonna keep my vote here until someone replaces Tomth. If you’d like explanations or quotes lmk but they’ll probably come a lil bit later in the day.

Welcome Zoomie! I have a much better first impression about you than I did your predecessor. You’re entrance slightly reassured that my read on Faust was correct. Can’t wait to see what TW gets out of you

Yo Ldog, why keep your vote parked on someone you're getting town reads from when you're leaning more towards Arkias/NaCL? Also why are you leaning towards Arkias/NaCL?

[Alexcellent]

Sorry for vanity but in a vacuum what do you think of his read on me?

I agree with the placement, I think. I'd probably have you toward as a weak TL/bordering on null, but that's because I'm not really confident in assessing your game tbh.

However, the reasoning isn't all that great. The "I liked you at the start" while giving no examples or anything is too vague for my liking. I don't really think it's fair for me to comment on him being paranoid about your helping of newer players though, since there's every chance he just hasn't played with you in this queue and doesn't know how you operate here.

Cool
VOTE: NaCl
I had a feeling your placement was pretty similar but I found NaCl's reasoning kinda slimy - if you were on a similar page I might have needed to really check my reads but I think NaCl is likely just scum

NaCl/Ark > zoomie as wildcard

I am in agreeance with this, although I don't have a grasp on Zoomie.

[Alexcellent]

I know being submissive is a issue in some of our parts, but 271 is a bit much. He could have had some specific problems, even outside of bad play.

I don't know what to think of you Zoomie, but I too don't like 271.

I think I have to agree with your post, The Worst. I think I'm seeing him as a bad player, but not scum indicative, and I've been mixing up the two. With his slot being replaced, there's a higher chance that his misplays will be corrected by someone else, and I'll be looking for actual scum indicative things over bad style.

VOTE: unvote

This does feel very sheepish/don't want to rock the boat kind of post.

[Zoomie8432]

We can't get info out of Ark yet, since of his V/LA. However, I would definitely want info about all of the responses.

[Zoomie8432]

Btw, I am still confused about how you can add older posts to your post to respond.