Newbie 1972 | Game Over

Karnage · Post Post #550 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:56 am

Vote Count 1.21

Zoomie8432 (2) ~

the worst, Uncrowned,

geraintm (2) ~

NaCl, Zoomie8432

Flavor Leaf (1) ~

LoserdudeOG,

Alexcellent (1) ~

geraintm

Not voting (3) ~

Flavor Leaf, Creature, Alexcellent,

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-16 23:00:00)

Mod Notes

geraintm is V/LA on weekends

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #551 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:56 am

In post 414, Alexcellent wrote:
In post 196, NaCl wrote:I don't actually have much to say, because I feel like I've solved things in my head kind of, and I'm feeling like {Creature, Uncrowned, Thomth, TW} are town. I'm kind of thinking Arkias is scum as well, but Arkias and TW are the slots I'm least sure on. But I keep having doubts on this, though. Still, I think that can be dealt with later, and right now I want to lynch Loserdude the most out of my non-town pool. VOTE: Loserdude

TW, did you explain why you voted Uncrowned? I missed it if you did. I actually didn't really believe he was scum when I voted him, I was mostly doing so because I was curious if anyone would move from you to him, or vote him in general.

Creature, I think you have too many townreads and should re-evaluate. I'm really not seeing anything from Loserdude that make me think he's town, although I do agree with your assessment on Thomth. To me, he doesn't seem to actually care about trying to find scum, and feels like he's taking a stance to try and not get directly involved in positions where he can be questioned.
This rubbing me the wrong way, like a lot. You claim to have solved things in your head, yet you leave so many options open and are so vague. You include TW in your town reads, but also say you're the least sure about them???? You think Arkias is scum, but are also unsure. You don't want to explain any of this and you just vote for Loserdude because I guess of a lack of anything appearing to be town in his posts. But you don't point to anything scummy that he's said or any specifics. This is heaps dodgy.

VOTE: NaCL

Done with my catchup, didn’t really read first 10 pages tbh,

this post stood out to me.
idk if i think this is scummy or townie, but i remember some of their other posts being townie.

This might be a product of the gamestate. Idk who would be the partner of TW/Uncrowned yet

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #552 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:57 am

In post 539, Uncrowned wrote:UNVOTE: Arkias

VOTE: Zoomie

The read list did little to ease my concerns about this slot.

If the team is Gera/Uncrowned, this was a really strong scum play.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #553 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:59 am

In post 538, Uncrowned wrote:Zoomie, can you explain your positioning of Gerain on your read list?

Uncrowned voting before response is interesting. I’ll look into Zoomie next.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #554 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:01 am

In post 539, Uncrowned wrote:UNVOTE: Arkias

VOTE: Zoomie

The read list did little to ease my concerns about this slot.

In post 538, Uncrowned wrote:Zoomie, can you explain your positioning of Gerain on your read list?

In post 540, Zoomie8432 wrote:Ah, Gerain. When we got NaCl to L-1, Gerain didn't really say anything that was really about him at that point. I'm a bit concerned why he just suddenly went to his defence, without anything before that point. May have had that hidden at that point, but I'm actually confused about that. I'm going to see why this went on.
UNVOTE: Ark
VOTE: Gerain

In post 541, Zoomie8432 wrote:I'm having long reply times, since of how I want to focus on other games at times, but this one needs constant viewing to make sure that things dont go badly.

I tend to think this is townie of Zoomie, and Uncrowned is taking advantage of both TW and Zoomie. Zoomie seems like extreme newbtown.

He’s starting a distraction and moving the focus elsewhere so partner Gera doesn’t get piled on more after NaCl pushed there.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #555 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:04 am

Oh yeah, Uncrowned’s definitely scum here.

NaCl chose Gera so Uncrowned went Zoomie.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #556 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:08 am

VOTE: Uncrowned

Now let’s check and see how the game state reacts.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #557 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:15 am

Oh, NaCl is FN claimed.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #558 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:17 am

In post 470, geraintm wrote:Ok, i've goen through Nacl's posts as they are so close to getting lynched.
I don't see any strong reason to think they are mafia. to me, none of their posts seem expecialyl bad.
I don't think we have caught scum, i think they'd be a stronger counter wagon going on trying to save them if we had. I am not going to vote for them.

I don’t like this. Seems like scum knowing the wagon was gonna be town, and hoping it gets voted anyways.

Uncrowned and Gera scum team likely.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #559 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:19 am

In post 484, Uncrowned wrote:If there was anyone to make a counter claim, I'd probably make it now. Imho I think one scum being sacrificed for a PR is a net positive for town, at least in this particular setup.

1 scum against 6 townies including one PR still alive on towns side sounds like terrible odds to me for scum

In post 493, Uncrowned wrote:VOTE: Arkias

I'd honestly prefer LDog be the lynch, but I don't think that's something that'll get agreed upon in this short of a time frame.

In post 496, Uncrowned wrote:Yep that's an L-1

...was that way too fast for it not to be a wagon with scum on it?

@Ducky - how are you town reading this slot?

If I’m wrong on it, you’re scum

Zoomie8432 · Post Post #560 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:28 am

I actually kind of like this new one. Has lots of statistics for each part. When backtracking, I didn't even exactly think of these, but he does prove a point.

LoserdudeOG · Post Post #561 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:36 am

@Flavor you know it’s so funny, late last night I was starting to think Uncr was scum too.. their posts are a little, too perfect. Especially his read list on 477.. everything seemed a little too put into place.. the fact that he’s felt very comfortable and confident in his town!appearance since his confrontation with TW was worrisome as well. Like he thought he was a shoe in...

LoserdudeOG · Post Post #562 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:38 am

@Flavor you’re not out of the woods yourself tho... Arkais seemed like a very viable scum option and I’m gonna keep my vote on you for now atleast.

ISO · Post Post #563 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:24 pm

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #564 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:30 pm

Duck >3

<3

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #565 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:31 pm

In post 561, LoserdudeOG wrote:@Flavor you know it’s so funny, late last night I was starting to think Uncr was scum too.. their posts are a little, too perfect. Especially his read list on 477.. everything seemed a little too put into place.. the fact that he’s felt very comfortable and confident in his town!appearance since his confrontation with TW was worrisome as well. Like he thought he was a shoe in...

10/10 say this again

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #566 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:32 pm

In post 562, LoserdudeOG wrote:@Flavor you’re not out of the woods yourself tho... Arkais seemed like a very viable scum option and I’m gonna keep my vote on you for now atleast.

Eat my shoe, this is week old beef stew

LoserdudeOG · Post Post #567 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:37 pm

In post 566, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 562, LoserdudeOG wrote:@Flavor you’re not out of the woods yourself tho... Arkais seemed like a very viable scum option and I’m gonna keep my vote on you for now atleast.
Eat my shoe, this is week old beef stew

Oh... I like you... can we be friends in real life?

Uncrowned · Post Post #568 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:07 pm

I'm interested in why you think my read list is perfect, LDog. Considering I had you as scum on it?

Feels like you're clutching at straws. The whole "comfortable and confident about him being town" thing pings me weirdly. I know my alignment, why wouldn't I be confident in that and try to sort slots?

Side note. If FL is scum, his entry here is extremely smart. Still more interested in Zoomie, think there's a good chance they're newb!scum.

Uncrowned · Post Post #569 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:10 pm

In post 540, Zoomie8432 wrote:Ah, Gerain. When we got NaCl to L-1, Gerain didn't really say anything that was really about him at that point. I'm a bit concerned why he just suddenly went to his defence, without anything before that point. May have had that hidden at that point, but I'm actually confused about that. I'm going to see why this went on.
UNVOTE: Ark
VOTE: Gerain

Is it just me, or did someone else say this exact thing already before Zoomie did?

Uncrowned · Post Post #570 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:13 pm

Yep. Just checked and NaCl made that exact same point. This isn't the first time Zoomie has sheeped reads this game. Part of me acknowledges that this can come from newb!town but it really doesn't look good. Couple that with the whole "I think LDog is the scum on the Arkias wagon" and then notice he hasn't proceeded to push LDog or mention him since.

There's too many holes here for me to ignore.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #571 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:40 pm

In post 567, LoserdudeOG wrote:
In post 566, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 562, LoserdudeOG wrote:@Flavor you’re not out of the woods yourself tho... Arkais seemed like a very viable scum option and I’m gonna keep my vote on you for now atleast.
Eat my shoe, this is week old beef stew
Oh... I like you... can we be friends in real life?

If you’re ever in SF.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #572 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:41 pm

In post 570, Uncrowned wrote:Yep. Just checked and NaCl made that exact same point. This isn't the first time Zoomie has sheeped reads this game. Part of me acknowledges that this can come from newb!town but it really doesn't look good. Couple that with the whole "I think LDog is the scum on the Arkias wagon" and then notice he hasn't proceeded to push LDog or mention him since.

There's too many holes here for me to ignore.

You must have read the Spider-man comics, because this is

C

Karnage.

@ducky from that last newbie game

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #573 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:43 pm

ScumUncrowned beats TownZoomie in a 1v1 99% of the time.

LoserdudeOG · Post Post #574 (ISO) » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:44 pm

In post 568, Uncrowned wrote:I'm interested in why you think my read list is perfect, LDog. Considering I had you as scum on it?

Feels like you're clutching at straws. The whole "comfortable and confident about him being town" thing pings me weirdly. I know my alignment, why wouldn't I be confident in that and try to sort slots?

Side note. If FL is scum, his entry here is extremely smart. Still more interested in Zoomie, think there's a good chance they're newb!scum.

Ah, allow me to clarify 2 points,

When I say it’s perfect, I don’t necessarily mean accurately perfect, I mean organized perfectly. I did notice that you pretty much leave everyone at least open to a future scum read should it suit you. With the exception of Alexcellent it looks like. Not saying this directly makes you scum, but if you are, this puts you in a good position to change your views/agree with others in the future.

Secondly, I didn’t phrase this correctly. It’s not that YOURE confident in yourself being town, it’s more that it seems like you have confidence in US BELIEVING you’re town. At least that’s the vibe I pick up from your posts.

It seems like the biggest conflict to your alignment was the early game scuffle with TW. Y’all came to a mutual understanding and agreed to bury the hatchet with the assumption that each other is town leaning. From this point on its appears you’ve been posting with the confidence of a conf!town and idk if you’ve earned that read from all of us.. certainly not me.

After all that I admit it’s still a little graspy. But it’s all seeming a little TOO good to be true. I’m not sure if you’re the day one lynch tho. And I am paranoid that I’m being taken for a ride by FL. But I thought it was interesting that FL brought it up the morning after I had first realized this...