Newbie 1972 | Game Over

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m making an aggressive push where we need to decide.

You don’t have to think I’m town.

I’m not the only one who saw it. You’ve been covering your tracks well. It’s game state that implicates you as scum, not your play. Your play has been good, you’ve just been pushing a scum agenda.

[Flavor Leaf]

And you’re the epitome of scum who’s upset that they feel they shouldn’t be getting pushed and they are.

[LoserdudeOG]

Also don't understand what WIFOM is and how its significant? Like I looked it up and know what the acronym is but I don't get it...

We’re playing a game where there are 2 cups. I’m gonna our poison in one of the. Without you seeing, then tell you I put poison in one of them.

Do you drink the one in front of me, or the one in front of you?

Also, I put the poison in the cup in front of me.

I’m not the type of person who’d lie about that, why would I?

So you're me, what do you do...?

Exactly

So I think my confusion here is how do you recognize something is that conversation above?

[Uncrowned]

You can't say one minute you think I'm a good player and then the next minute think I'd make as obvious a setup as that to make a push. Scumcrowned doesn't even get involved in this dialogue with you. I would've already moved on to a more agreeable lynch like Gerain.

Flip me if you want. For your sake in this game I hope you're not town

[Uncrowned]

Game state? Dude, the game state would have been stuck with a lynch on the Arkias slot if I didn't point out how bad Zoomie looked joining that wagon.

Do you realize how ridiculous your argument is right now? If I was scum, I wouldn't have said a damn word about zoomies questionable joining of thw wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

You can't say one minute you think I'm a good player and then the next minute think I'd make as obvious a setup as that to make a push. Scumcrowned doesn't even get involved in this dialogue with you. I would've already moved on to a more agreeable lynch like Gerain.

Flip me if you want. For your sake in this game I hope you're not town

I disagree. it’s not obvious. Had I not replaced in, you’d probably have rolled through the game.

Most players don’t look through it at a gamestate level, and in newbie games, I believe that’s the best way to find scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Game state? Dude, the game state would have been stuck with a lynch on the Arkias slot if I didn't point out how bad Zoomie looked joining that wagon.

Do you realize how ridiculous your argument is right now? If I was scum, I wouldn't have said a damn word about zoomies questionable joining of thw wagon.

I think an Arkias mislynch would have affected ScumYou more than Zoomie mislynch.

You didn’t have to worry about an inactive slot.

[Uncrowned]

And there you go. Your entire argument is dead. I COULD have happily allowrd an Arkias lynch. But no, I saw something scummy and I pushed on it. Dude was at L-1, why would I go out of my way to make a brand new push?

[Uncrowned]

What? Arkias was more inactive than zoomie. Are you listening to yourself?

[Uncrowned]

If anything you just made my point for me. Arkias was the way safer lynch if im scum. Problem is, I'm not scum. That's why i went for zoomie. Because his behavior? that was scummy

[Flavor Leaf]

I disagree. That was a much weaker play that implicates you, and it happened really fast.

[Flavor Leaf]

It was NOT the safer lynch

[Uncrowned]

Literally no one had anything on Zoomie until I started bringing up how odd his actions looked. There is no world where scum decides to put themselves at risk and start driving a new wagon when arkias, who had no way of defending himself, was at L-1 with little time left in the phase.

You're wrong on this and you know it.

[Uncrowned]

How does an Arkias lynch implicate me at all? That's a ridiculous claim to make when Zoomie and LDog, much more null slots in comparison to me at the time, where also on it with less reasoning than I had to be on it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not from what I read? Gamestate was pushing Zoomie far longer than the wagon.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

[Flavor Leaf]

Literally no one had anything on Zoomie until I started bringing up how odd his actions looked. There is no world where scum decides to put themselves at risk and start driving a new wagon when arkias, who had no way of defending himself, was at L-1 with little time left in the phase.

You're wrong on this and you know it.

Lol, I don’t think Arkias was going to go through. It happened too fast, and it was a slot being replaced. Someone would have backed off and you know it, so you made sure it was you.

That also established yourself as town leader which could have carried you through the game even with a mislynch on low hanging fruit

[Uncrowned]

I'm feeling so much confirmation bias right now that I don't really want to keep going with this dialogue. I've made my case. My Zoomie push is obviously town motivated and is not a play scum would make. I had no reason to push the mostly null read Zoomie, he was NOT an easy lynch. In fact, I'd go as far as to say he's a hard lynch given the fact that his slot was mostly a null read for most people and the stuff I called out was things that went unnoticed by EVERYONE else in this game.

That's all I've got to say on the matter. You're making a huge error if you still think I'm scum after all that

[Uncrowned]

...me? Town leader?

You're seriously reaching now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m the town leader now, but on my replace in, surface level, you and TW were the main people who were pushing things and discussing.

That is ridiculous of you to scoff at that. Sure, you might not think of yourself as that, but scoffing at that is ridiculous, and proves that you’re fabricating everything here and scum fighting away.

[LoserdudeOG]

Not going to lie, this whole dialogue has got me effed up. idk what to think... Would love some other input?

[Flavor Leaf]

Has anyone ever seen Brooklyn 99?

He’s the dentist who killed his partner and got interrogated an entire episode, and got mad when Jake called him sloppy and confessed.

[Uncrowned]

If I actually get lynched here for actively scum hunting and looking to avoid what looked to me like a mislynch after a super susp joining of the wagon by Zoomie... I'm going to lose a lot of faith in this site and this "meta"

The arguments laid against me are filled with holds which I've demonstrated multiple times. Now it's all just confirmation bias. I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall that won't acknowledge my points.

[LoserdudeOG]

I would definitely agree with FL in saying you were a town leader Uncrowned. A runner up to you and TW pre-FL would be Alex maybe.

[Uncrowned]

Oh, but FL. According to you, sloppy play is a town indicator, right?

Get real.

[NaCl]

I agree with the Uncrowned case a bit, but I still don't see why we shouldn't be lynching Geraintm. Because I think Geraintm is more likely to be scum, that he could be scum with either FL or Uncrowned (well, or a few others), and that if he is scum with FL, then a Uncrowned townflip will lead to a pivot away from Geraintm the following day.

I can't tell if Zoomie's reads are so strange that they're fake or so strange because he's a newbie. I do not think that scum would be doubtful of me, though, so I'm starting to think it's that he's a newbie. But to sum it up, my claim works only 33% of the time if I'm scum (the row with JK or JK+tracker), and it still will lead to a CC later if I do it in column A. Plus, the instant that the JK stops blocking me is when I get caught.

Also, just in case it's unclear for anyone new, jailkeepers don't just roleblock, they also protect (hint, hint). And scum might want to be aware of that, if they wanted to shoot me. Not that the jailkeeper, if there is one, has to go on me, of course (and as a side note, if we lynch scum today, a jailkeeper should certainly NOT be on me).


Uncrowned, in 538, what was your issue of Zoomie's position of Geraintm?

Uncrowned, I don't see how you can go after Zoomie for not really doing anything and not have that same kind of opinion on Geraintm. Sheeping isn't necessarily a bad thing, not every person needs their own reasons. Also, you said you wanted to re-evaluate Geraintm, what do you think about him right now? And the rest of those other people you were suspecting, I want to hear your thoughts on them.
Zoomie feels like he's poor at communicating, not that he doesn't give opinions. My issue is that I can't understand his opinions, and I'm slightly worried that it was because he was making them up. But when he can't communicate a single opinion of his in a way that makes it understandable without reading through it at least 3 times, that's not him making up opinions, that's him being poor at communicating.

Alexcellent, do you think that scum was on your wagon earlier (Well, Thomth's wagon)?

I could vote Uncrowned. I'm not too sold on him over Geraintm, but FL is right that if it is scum Uncrowned, then the game is pretty much solved. However, I don't know if him flipping town will indicate which slots are also town.