Newbie 1972 | Game Over

[Flavor Leaf]

I have a bad tendency of over defending scum in that scenario. Gera flipping town, and then the Duck kill meant scum liked what I was doing, so I had to reevaluate.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, scum probably thought TW was JK because of how he acted towards me claiming it. TW clearly knew that I wasn’t JK.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m gonna make a questionable play here in twilight. I usually don’t do stuff like this in newbie games, but...

I claim Jailkeeper.

This is a statement, not a claim.

We can discuss this tomorrow if I’m here, let’s not discuss it here in twilight.

I also said this. I was just trying to spread some WIFOM at the end of twilight to the scum team.

[Karnage]

Vote Count 2.1

Not voting (7) ~

Alexcellent, LoserdudeOG, Uncrowned, Zoomie8432, Flavor Leaf, Creature, NaCl

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-24 09:58:14)

mod notes: none

[LoserdudeOG]

@flavor now that I know who you are I absolutely believe you’d manipulate a newb to gain towncred. I think ur scum 100%. Probably you and Zoomie team and you’re now bussing a partner that’s easily useable.
VOTE: Flavor

[Uncrowned]

FL, you've flipped real quick onto Zoomie. Is there anybody else you're worried about? Your theory of "scum liking what you were doing" could easily be applied to Creature as well, but you don't mention him?

Speaking of, I need more Creature and NaCl in my life right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I defended Zoomie way too hard to ever be scum with them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I don’t actually know if I’d do that to a newbie if I ever rolled scum in a newbie game. I have 20+ newbie games on record, never flipped scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, you've flipped real quick onto Zoomie. Is there anybody else you're worried about? Your theory of "scum liking what you were doing" could easily be applied to Creature as well, but you don't mention him?

Speaking of, I need more Creature and NaCl in my life right now.

Loser/Alex/Creature.

I said Creature could possibly be scum. He isn’t posting

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll be here later.

[Flavor Leaf]

My flips also really unnatural. I don’t do it like that as scum

[Alexcellent]

Like, I don’t actually know if I’d do that to a newbie if I ever rolled scum in a newbie game. I have 20+ newbie games on record, never flipped scum.

So what I'm hearing is that you're due for a scum flip

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I don’t actually know if I’d do that to a newbie if I ever rolled scum in a newbie game. I have 20+ newbie games on record, never flipped scum.

So what I'm hearing is that you're due for a scum flip

That’s gamblers fallacy

[Flavor Leaf]

I figure if there’s a jk, just jail me tonight and clear me or force a no kill.

[Flavor Leaf]

Zoomie’s flipping scum with one of creature/loser/Alex

[Flavor Leaf]

Duck doesn’t die if Zoomie isn’t scum with someone.

[Alexcellent]

@Zoomie, who would you like to lynch today?

[Flavor Leaf]

@flavor now that I know who you are I absolutely believe you’d manipulate a newb to gain towncred. I think ur scum 100%. Probably you and Zoomie team and you’re now bussing a partner that’s easily useable.
VOTE: Flavor

This is probably scum with zoomie.

The flip is a good play, and he’s got a solid reason to explain it

[Flavor Leaf]

@Creature - do I defend scum with my life from time to time when I’m town?

[Flavor Leaf]

For exposition, I once claimed Masons with Creature when creature was scum, and he killed me when I was gonna backtrack, and he won the game. That being said, I never do that anymore.

[NaCl]

At the same time, Zoomie voted Ark, more than once. Ark is now FL. Odds of Zoomie busing there?

What I still want to know about is Zoomie in general, he still hard TRs me even though I straight up think he's Scum, and he's said pretty much nothing about FL jumping in hard to defend him. I don't want to fall into the hole of judging him too much off of one or two things, but I feel like I'm not really being given a choice here.

Yeah, I don't think that FL and Zoomie are both scum. At most one is, and I suspect that exactly one is.

Creature's being quiet and that's really worrying me.

I don't know why TW died, but I don't think he would have if Uncrowned was scum. Unless Uncrowned was thinking TW was actually the JK.

829 doesn't sit right with me. FL being scum isn't something I've ruled out, but I don't see why that means he's bussing.

FL, why did you feel confident in hammering without a claim?

I've been sick again, my head's a mess. I'll get back into my rhythm soon, hopefully.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, it’s a really convenient narrative to make, but idk if that’s a push scum go for so obviously.

I believed that at that point, Gera was the best lynch, and I had brought up thinking they were scum early on, so I went to trust myself.

I don’t necessarily like waiting for it in newbie games. Ideally, it’s always best as scum to claim something no matter what, to at least out a PR. Had he claimed tracker/jk, it would have outed the real tracker/jk if he were scum.

So there wasn’t really a necessary claim coming really.

Idk. I felt like we all came to the consensus to just end the day. It’s also a reason I’ve become suspicious of Loser because of how the conversation was going yesterday, and it makes sense for scum to be part of our consensus to join on Gera.

We had you, confirmed town, Zoomie, then Uncrowned, myself, and Loser voted after coming to a consensus. Zoomie’s likely scum on it early, and while I don’t think it’s impossible for only 1 scum to be there, that would mean scum got incredibly lucky that the 3 of us came together for that, which is why Loser is up there for me.

Creature needs to talk; they had a scum meta of lurker Creature is scum Creature, but I know he can get hyper posture as scum, so I always tried to debunk that, but I haven’t talked with Creature at all since replacing in.

[Flavor Leaf]

Loser also decided to go for me, possibly prolonging partnerZoomie’s life for another day, but still bussing. Keeping a scum partner alive here would mean jk/tracker doesn’t get free Inno’s.

[Creature]

Pls don't kill me

[Creature]

Still going with Nacl the FN, but did anyone receive the message?