Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Amrun]

I keep expecting S_S to explain that naked vote on me, but nope. Just hangin out for presumably no reason.


I strongly townread GL now, fwiw. On day 1 I could not follow his train of thought in a genuine way. D2, with the realization that he was comparing it so specifically to high noon, I do.

Menalque, why are you categorizing DogWatch as a lurker? I don’t.

[Something_Smart]

That’s not what a perspective slip is. It isn’t done on purpose.

I don't make posts that aren't on purpose.

I suspect that most people are the same way, given that real perspective slips are extremely rare.

I would absolutely make that post if I were scumbuddies with Iconeum.

[Something_Smart]

I keep expecting S_S to explain that naked vote on me, but nope. Just hangin out for presumably no reason.

I'm sheeping Creature, and I believe Aaron townslipped.

[Something_Smart]

Why did you think there was no reason?

[Amrun]

That’s not what a perspective slip is. It isn’t done on purpose.

I don't make posts that aren't on purpose.

I suspect that most people are the same way, given that real perspective slips are extremely rare.

I would absolutely make that post if I were scumbuddies with Iconeum.

It’s really not a huge deal either way, and perhaps YOU would, but for me, it’s a huge tick in the “not buddies” box which is largely irrelevant since I believe Iconeum to be town. It’s a note for later just in case.

You aren’t making a genuine attempt to sort me at all, though. :/

[Something_Smart]

It came right after your town read on him, so presumably, you were speaking from a place of Iconeum being town because that was your town read, but the wording bothered me.

Actually if you want to know it was in response to Salamence claiming that Iconeum was imploding town like TSE was. Iconeum's behavior looked different to me, so if he was a townie getting riled up, he was not a townie getting riled up in the same way that TSE was.

Also, I always talk to people as if they are town.

[Amrun]

Why did you think there was no reason?

I didn’t think there was actually no reason, which is why I kept thinking you were working on a post about it, but in reality, it appears the reasoning is so sparse that my eyes actually rolled back in my head when I read it. Especially for one so cautious with a vote in day 1, and took flak for it, today to vote so weirdly is confusing to me.

P-edit: that’s interesting. Always?

[Something_Smart]

You aren’t making a genuine attempt to sort me at all, though. :/

I did, but didn't get very far. I'd rather trust Creature's attempt to sort you, at least for now.

[Amrun]

Still DW is scummy

SS can be scum, but Amrun and AF gotta go first

Salamence is a spice shot I endorse

Is Iconeum talking that much in the scum thread?

Creature professed quite a lot of scumreads at the end, including DogWatch, yourself, and his LAST scumreads were Salamence and Iconeum. So just literally what the fuck.

[Amrun]

You aren’t making a genuine attempt to sort me at all, though. :/

I did, but didn't get very far. I'd rather trust Creature's attempt to sort you, at least for now.

Creature didn’t attempt to do shit, with anyone, which is why his dying reads were clearly a garbage pile on fire. He couldn’t have been more disengaged with this game.

[Amrun]

It came right after your town read on him, so presumably, you were speaking from a place of Iconeum being town because that was your town read, but the wording bothered me.

Actually if you want to know it was in response to Salamence claiming that Iconeum was imploding town like TSE was. Iconeum's behavior looked different to me, so if he was a townie getting riled up, he was not a townie getting riled up in the same way that TSE was.

Also, I always talk to people as if they are town.

And once again, I know what you were literally attempting to say. I know what it was referring to. I reread the entire game day in context in great detail.

[Something_Smart]

P-edit: that’s interesting. Always?

Well no. Not always. When I'm talking about my own thought processes, of course I will give my reads as they are regardless of whom I'm talking to. But when I'm talking to someone about their own thought processes, I will attempt to understand them, rather than accusing them of being fake.

I think in that Icon example I was actually talking about Salamence's thought process, so this principle may not apply, but it's worth noting nonetheless. I get accused of perspective slipping a lot, and yet (afaicr) I've never actually made a perspective slip.

[Something_Smart]

Creature professed quite a lot of scumreads at the end, including DogWatch, yourself, and his LAST scumreads were Salamence and Iconeum. So just literally what the fuck.

I mean you and Aaron were pretty clearly his strongest scumreads.

[Amrun]

For someone so thoughtful that values his vote so much, you haven’t even put enough thought into this vote to determine who was actually Creature’s dying scumread. I don’t like that. It doesn’t seem internally consistent with your day 1 play.

About the perspective “slip,” though: noted.

P-edit: actually, no, I don’t think that was clear at all.

[Amrun]

And why sheep creature over Salamence20? Pret?

[Something_Smart]

Spoiler:

Datish
Amrun
DrDolittle
AaronFrost

Pick one to lynch

Amrun and AaronFrost haven't done shit for me to change my opinion on them

VOTE: Amrun

This wagon dismantled pretty quick for my liking

Amrun and Aaron are scum

You'll have to admit your reads are complete crap this game

Can we speedlynch Amrun or Aaron tomorrow?

Amrun and Aaron should be dead though

Again I repeat:

Fucking speedlynch Amrun or Aaron tomorrow, whoever is alive

I can lit hammer now

Sure, but put Amrun or Aaron L-1 the first RL day of tomorrow

I strong scumread Aaron and Amrun and townread everybody else on my wagon

SS can be scum, but Amrun and AF gotta go first

[Something_Smart]

And why sheep creature over Salamence20? Pret?

Creature was more confident and I know he has a history of having good reads early.

[Something_Smart]

What's your read on me?

[Amrun]

I do think he maintained those scumreads the best, but he also, by his own admission, “forgot” he scumread Aaron which put him under fire initially.

It’s creature, and a severely under engaged creature. Yes, he said those things, but he also said a LOT of other things. And the LAST thing he said before he died was that Ico/Sal were scum together.


P-edit: Up until my re-read I had a fairly strong townread on you. I don’t really care about the fact that you’re voting me - it could be anyone - but it’s severely damaging that townread because it’s so poorly reasoned for a player I understood to be extremely analytical. And you also casually dropped what turned out to be a blatant sheep in the middle of a good faith conversation with me. I assumed it came from the conversation, which isn’t scummy in and of itself, but like I said, you don’t seem to be internally consistent with yourself, which bothers me a lot.

I would drop you into my lynch pool for this, but you’re still not near the top of it.

[Something_Smart]

Why did Creature make 80 posts in two days if he was disengaged?

[Something_Smart]

Creature said he scumread you ten times in those posts, most of which were stating or implying that you were one of his strongest scumreads. The fact that he happened to mention some other reads last does not change that.

[Amrun]

Why did Creature make 80 posts in two days if he was disengaged?

Have you met Creature? I know enough to know that post count is meaningless for him.


I don’t really have a ton of experience with him so maybe I shouldn’t be talking like that, but, perhaps Creature and I have different definitions of “engaged,” too. I myself have had a very difficult time engaging with this particular game, but I’m getting there.


My point is, though, that I try to take into account dead players’ reads, as referenced up thread, but I have never, ever been tempted to let them supplant my own reads. Not once.

[Amrun]

Creature said he scumread you ten times in those posts, most of which were stating or implying that you were one of his strongest scumreads. The fact that he happened to mention some other reads last does not change that.

I don’t care to argue the semantics of this; we can agree I was certainly featured often on his scumreads. My point is why you are settling for poorly sheeping a dead player after making such a stink day 1 about how you wait to use your vote meaningfully? That’s not meaningful. If it coincided to your own scumread, adding Creature’s to it is one thing, but just to say “eh can’t read you, can’t be arsed to try, gonna sheep Creature instead” is fucking bizarre.

[Something_Smart]

It's really not poorly reasoned. Creature very clearly put you and Aaron as his primary scumreads; if you can find someone else he mentioned definitely wanting to kill more times than he did for you or Aaron, I'll drop this line of thought and vote them.

Between you and Aaron, I think it's unlikely that Aaron consciously decides to fake forgetting about the scum factional NK. Most scum players don't adopt such tactics. So between the two of you, I prefer you.

As for why I'm sheeping, well, the Creature lynch was bullshit and his voice shouldn't have been removed from the game, and I have a lot of respect for his reads anyway, and I've pretty much been unable to hit on my own scumreads.

[DrDolittle]

Amrun do you think I'm mis-reading you or reading you in bad faith