Newbie 1972 | Game Over

[LoserdudeOG]

I’m a completely different person than the one you met 6 years ago.

It’s been like 4 years since I’ve seen you.

This might be true, but you were cocky then, and from what I see here that hasn’t changed much so... forgive me if I don’t take your word for it

[Alexcellent]

I defended Zoomie way too hard to ever be scum with them.

You're spewing so much WIFOM into this thread that at best everything you're saying is null

That was part of it. Experienced players would have seen through it. Newbies wouldn’t have.

I don’t think you would have.

And I think Alex/Loser would have discussed what they thought.

The Duck could have possibly thought I was faking role claim, even if I actually was it.

I’m not. And as scum, I would never leave that off the table to try and out the actual PR. I literally threw that out the window if I was scum

Creature knows I’m not like that as scum, and he’s probably TMI’ing with Loser.

There are so many problems with this play.

1) You're trying to "bait" a NK thinking you can trick a newbie into spending a kill on you. If you're town you may also be needlessly baiting a Tracker/JK's attention. There is far more scum motivation to do this than town motivation.

2) Yes this is technically a newbie game, but most players here seem to be reasonably well experienced. Maybe if you thought there was only one scum and you suspected Zoomie, then you could get away with thinking this is a good play to trip him up, but there's two scum. Odds of you tricking TWO scum with this gambit is incredibly slim. Odds of you tricking one TPR are higher. Either you're town and made a really flawed misplay or you're scum, which is it? Like if you're actually town and it turns out we have a PR that comes out and says that they spent N1 using their power on you because of your claim, that's potentially game throwing.

3) You immediately came in D2 to say you weren't actually a JK and were just baiting the NK within

minutes

of the day starting. There's literally still nothing stopping you from coming out and saying "gotcha again, I actually AM the JK" if you need to.

[Alexcellent]

Zoomie when you're back I would like your reads. Who do you think is scum? Who do you think is town?

[Flavor Leaf]

:/

I’m just town.

[Flavor Leaf]

And that cockiness turned into pure confidence and playful narcissism.

I always say, yeah, I talk myself up all the time, but I talk everyone else up topic, and never put anyone down.

I just put in the work, I’m a hustler.

[Alexcellent]

Now I feel bad

[Alexcellent]

If you're town and Zoomie is scum, do you think he'd come in and bus like he did?

[Flavor Leaf]

If you're town and Zoomie is scum, do you think he'd come in and bus like he did?

I imagine whoever the partner is is telling him what to say at this point.

He didn’t really do much when he came in, and while I feel like the VLA’s legit, I feel it’s definitely on the “limited activity” side, if that makes sense.

Zoomie actively didn’t do anything and they easily could have.

Them not doing anything keeps the gamestate exactly where it is now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Now I feel bad

Don’t. It’s not a bad thing to scum read people, even though some people feel it’s like a shade. Scum create game states where townies scum read townies, and can reason it.

[Uncrowned]

I think in general the play was just anti-town.

But here's what's making me hesitate.

If FL is Scum... what GAIN does he get out of making that play? He wasn't under pressure at the time, he didn't need to make a claim. Best case scenario, he what? Gets jailed by the actual JK, or tracked, but it wouldn't matter anyway because in that situation he'd just get his partner to do a kill anyway? And then D2, the actual PR would out themselves, or the actual PR could've done it on D1 and FL would've been lynched.

He gets nothing out of it. In fact, his scum buddy in that situation would be left in an undesirable position, with two PRs still alive (and a much higher chance of getting jailed or tracked and losing automatically). That would almost guarantee a loss for FL and his buddy, imo.

There's a chance of it being scum misplay, I guess. But I highly doubt it. In fact, I'm kind of nervous about the fact that low content slots (LDog and Creature) are jumping on this without really discussing it more in depth. The wagon does smell a bit fishy to me, honestly.

[Uncrowned]

Also, I was already pretty confident in Town!Alexcellent but the post 876 is giving me more confidence in him. It's him actually discussing the play and pointing out the flaws, without just diving in immediately with a vote that feels more opportunistic to a misplay made by town.

I feel like scum would in general be more dismissive and just throw there vote immediately on the obviously questionable play made by a slot. Town can also do this, but I feel like it's a bit less likely.

[Flavor Leaf]

The Duck kill was killing a high level player slot whilst completely discrediting and throwing eggs into the take out FL position.

Like, 7 of us here, right?

I die, a kill goes through. Boom.

That’s 5p lylo tomorrow, and the Uncrowned/Zoomie 1v1 still wouldn’t be resolved.

But Uncrowned and myself went through a 1v1 and started to come together, mixed in with NaCL, scum have to take out one of us today.

There is zero reason for me to make any of those plays as scum. The better move would have been to just let it sit where they fly.

@Uncrowned - I half think Creature is scum who thinks that I might actually be the PR now.

[Alexcellent]

I think in general the play was just anti-town.

But here's what's making me hesitate.

If FL is Scum... what GAIN does he get out of making that play? He wasn't under pressure at the time, he didn't need to make a claim. Best case scenario, he what? Gets jailed by the actual JK, or tracked, but it wouldn't matter anyway because in that situation he'd just get his partner to do a kill anyway? And then D2, the actual PR would out themselves, or the actual PR could've done it on D1 and FL would've been lynched.

He gets nothing out of it. In fact, his scum buddy in that situation would be left in an undesirable position, with two PRs still alive (and a much higher chance of getting jailed or tracked and losing automatically). That would almost guarantee a loss for FL and his buddy, imo.

There's a chance of it being scum misplay, I guess. But I highly doubt it. In fact, I'm kind of nervous about the fact that low content slots (LDog and Creature) are jumping on this without really discussing it more in depth. The wagon does smell a bit fishy to me, honestly.

Okay may have some points here? It's just a weird play that bugs me either way. I CAN see scum getting something out of it in that if there's a JK/Tracker, it can attract the PR and scum!FL's partner can feel a bit more free in taking action, and then he can just swoop in D2 and say it was all a gambit.

Yeah the lack of activity today is making me a bit anxious.

Do you think FL/Zoomie is a possibility?

[Alexcellent]

Zoomie is probably the lynch today

[Alexcellent]

Yeah VOTE: Zoomie I'm just going to do this. I haven't ruled out FL, but think there's probably 1 scum between them at least. I'm having too many doubts about FL.

[Flavor Leaf]

Just jail me and clear me

[Alexcellent]

Honestly if there's JK, protecting Nacl's not bad
If tracker, probs track FL

[Alexcellent]

Actually if there's a tracker
If Zoomie flips scum, tracking Creature or Ldog isn't bad
If Zoomie flips town, track FL

If there's a jailer probably flip a coin between FL and NacL

[Flavor Leaf]

If I were scum, and Zoomie flipped town, there’s no chance in hell I make that kill.

[Uncrowned]

I'm putting Zoomie to

L-1.

VOTE: Zoomie

[Uncrowned]

If FL is clean, then one of Creature or LDog are scum. I doubt both are on the wagon at once.

[Karnage]

Vote Count 2.3

Zoomie8432 (3) ~

Flavor Leaf, Alexcellent, Uncrowned

Flavor Leaf (2) ~

LoserdudeOG, Creature

Not voting (2) ~

Zoomie8432, NaCl

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-24 09:58:14)

mod notes:

Zoomie8432 is V/LA 12/21 through 12/24

[NaCl]

If we hit scum today, any JK should not be on me. It's more important that they get a clear than it is to keep me alive. Keeping me alive technically doesn't clear me, but blocking someone else while I die does. Actually, if we hit town today, then the JK still shouldn't go after me. Because if that happens, then I can't confirm myself the following day and I'd rather take the kill and let the other town PR stay alive.

I think in general the play was just anti-town.

But here's what's making me hesitate.

If FL is Scum... what GAIN does he get out of making that play? He wasn't under pressure at the time, he didn't need to make a claim. Best case scenario, he what? Gets jailed by the actual JK, or tracked, but it wouldn't matter anyway because in that situation he'd just get his partner to do a kill anyway? And then D2, the actual PR would out themselves, or the actual PR could've done it on D1 and FL would've been lynched.

He gets nothing out of it. In fact, his scum buddy in that situation would be left in an undesirable position, with two PRs still alive (and a much higher chance of getting jailed or tracked and losing automatically). That would almost guarantee a loss for FL and his buddy, imo.

There's a chance of it being scum misplay, I guess. But I highly doubt it. In fact, I'm kind of nervous about the fact that low content slots (LDog and Creature) are jumping on this without really discussing it more in depth. The wagon does smell a bit fishy to me, honestly.

If he's scum, it decreases the odds that an actual PR would be on him, allowing his partner to kill TW.

I feel fairly confident that Uncrowned is town, almost as much on Alexcellent. I have my doubts on FL, but I would really like him to be town because in that case his solve is probably right and a Zoomie scumflip will result in us winning the game.

Actually if there's a tracker
If Zoomie flips scum, tracking Creature or Ldog isn't bad
If Zoomie flips town, track FL

If there's a jailer probably flip a coin between FL and NacL

No, if Zoomie flips scum, a tracker would pretty much have to target within Creature and Ldog. Zoomie spent all of D1 going for literally any flip he could make, and now he's not voting or pressuring anyone. I'm town, Geraintm was town, and I don't see him making that early push on Arkias with as much enthusiasm if FL is scum.

And if Zoomie flips town, FL is almost certainly scum, and a tracker can track him or track whoever they think is his partner. Saying who they should go after will just make the partner die.

Anyways, Zoomie feels fairly different, and yesterday he was hopping from wagon to wagon. I'm fine with lynching him. If he's scum, I think Ldog is more likely scum than Creature, but it doesn't really matter. Intent to hammer. Zoomie, I'd like a claim.

Also, just to check, Uncrowned, Alexcellent, how did you guys feel about TW on N1? Did you guys think he was conftown? Because I was a bit paranoid of him myself, and he would have been very useful if town, but otherwise I was still worried he could actually be scum or something. He wasn't the person I was feeling the best about at the time.

[NaCl]

But yeah, main thing is that if Zoomie is town, lynch FL tomorrow.

If Zoomie is scum, I do not believe at all that FL is his partner.

[NaCl]

Oh, and so it's easier to see, Zoomie, I intend to hammer. I'd like you to claim your role.