Newbie 1971 [Game Over!]

[skitter30]

Yeah I think I'm ok with my readlist.

P.S where is everyone?

busy IRL flying home to the UK for Christmas tomorrow so been wrapping things up

VLA pls ducky

will get to this properly soon

don't Lynch anyone before I do

hope you have a good trip!

[skitter30]

skitt feels townier but the problem is that skitt is very good at feeling towny even when she isn't town and I think her actions make her scummy re: gbj so I think we still lynch there today bc I'm prob the NK either way if we go wrong and I have more faith in the rest of you to Lynch scum!billy then scum!skitt

tfw you have a good scumgame

there's really no universe where i interact with gbj the way i did if i was his partner, i'm like a billion times better at bussing/distancing than that

like ... see any of my scumgames

even in 1951 when i didn't want to bus him i had better distancing than here

i think billy is the last scum and that we should lynch him today

if that doesn't end the game, since i am pretty obviously in most people's lynch pool, i am more than happy to be checked by any and all investigatives that exist. at that point we should have at least two clears and we should hopefully be able to sort out the {non-slot/uncrowned/map wolf} group with the remaining lynches

[Map Wolf]

@anyone but Map, tell me why Map is town.

@Map - tell me who is scum. And for purposes of this question, I'm not. So assume I get lynched today and then you have to find the last scum, who is it?

Skitter. If not him, then I'd say Kanna.

[the worst]

vote count 2.04

Map Wolf (1) : Billy Pilgrim
Kanna (0) :
Uncrowned (0) :
Non lmh (0) :
Billy Pilgrim (2) : Map Wolf, skitter30
Menalque (0) :
skitter30 (1) : Kanna

not voting: Uncrowned, Non lmh, Menalque

with 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

day one will end automatically in (expired on 2019-12-23 12:00:00) or sooner if a lynch is achieved by majority.


mod notes:
- skitter30 v/la weekends
- Menalque v/la for holiday season
- seeking a replacement for Non lmh
- prodding Uncrowned
- quack

[skitter30]

i'm a she btw. kanna is town

[Uncrowned]

@BP

tbh I find it hard to believe that Map would be scum and still be 2nd on a wagon where scum got lynched, that's just me tho

[Map Wolf]

i'm a she btw. kanna is town

Sorry about that. And I agree that Kanna is most likely town.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Ok, I Iso'd Map wolf but the timing is from memory so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm a mislynch so I'd prefer not to be the lynch today.

Honestly, after the GBJ scumflip, I figured I would be a mislynch target. Now, Mena flipping so quickly to me being town today did have me concerned, but he had a post where he wanted to see what people's entrance was going to be and then it seems like based on my entrance he felt I was coming off as townie. Now, that feels like an attempt to genuinely sort rather than pursue an agenda. Now the only way this makes sense as a scum play is if he already read the room and figured I was dead today. Then he'd be on wagon when scum got lynched but off when a townie got lynched. Now, that's not out of the realm of possibility, and given his playstyle this game, then that could be what hes doing. And honestly that makes alot of sense if you're going to be the only scum that has to get 2 more mislynches before LYLO. But I dont think that's what's going on. I think if I were in LYLO with Mena and anyone else I'd vote the other person.

So post GBJ scum flip, the people that have been pushing for my mislynch the hardest are Skitter and Map Wolf.

Now, Skitter is in my PoE and I can see her as scum, but scum!Skitter is like the monster in my closet at this point so I dont want to let my fear shape my read like I did earlier.

So that leaves Map Wolf. Map Wolf had a progression on me D1 that I didn't understand.
223 - Map is asking Mena why me and non imh are in a 4 person PoE.
Then at 224 says theres a chance that uncrowned and Skitt are both the scum.
236- i very quickly pivot from Skitter to uncrowned.
344 is where Map votes me claiming that its TvS between me and uncrowned. Now, he had pretty much committed to townreading uncrowned at 222. So the progression on me is what I'm interested in.

So in between 224 and 344, Map is mostly defending himself from Uncrowned. I am the one interacting with Uncrowned. Now at 320, Map still defends the idea of Skitt/uncrowned because he thinks Skitt could be bussing uncrowned. Dont understand this since apparently he thought uncrowned was more likely town.
343 he says that he was suggesting that Skitt uncrowned could be the case, but he was more inclined to townread Skitt.
344 - he shades Lion for an opportunistic vote on him (Lion was the only one voting him) then votes me w/o explanation, making him the third vote on my wagon behind Mena and Skitter. I'm the leading wagon at this point with uncrowned in second. 356 is providing an explanation of scum behavior that basically assumes scum won't try and distance. Now, if hes distancing, this is a subtle way to prod people in another direction. Also, something to note, i dont think there was a single time that Map and GBJ were on the same wagon. There isnt one in the vote count. There were 2 vote counts where both of them were not voting, but there wasnt a single time where both of them were voting for the same person.

I know Map went third on the GBJ wagon, but the game was moving in that direction at that point. I'm seeing weird behavior and illogical thought from that slot. When he votes GBJ at 438, he doesnt explain it. Just like when he voted me in the third slot. Although I guess 443 is an explanation. And I guess 587 is a weird post to make if GBJ is your scum partner.

Also, uncrowned, I found what made me think you were accusing me of breaking up your pushes earlier. It was the last sentence of 270.

Shit, I dont think Map Wolf plays D1 that way if GBJ is his partner. I'm lost.

UNVOTE:

[Billy Pilgrim]

Sorry about the wall tldr version is I dont have a fucking clue what's going on. I thought Map was scum from GBJ's posting, but i dont think Map is scum from his own posting on a red GBJ flip.

[Map Wolf]

Sorry about the wall tldr version is I dont have a fucking clue what's going on. I thought Map was scum from GBJ's posting, but i dont think Map is scum from his own posting on a red GBJ flip.

I feel like I could've voted Non Imh if I wanted to. I didn't because he felt like an obvious scumpush.

[Map Wolf]

Regarding your longer post, you're actually have a point in that a lot of what I wrote is super contradictory. As far as I remember, I posted what I did in order to test people or something like that. Now I

want

to say that Billy is town due to the sheer effort of this post, and honestly there's a pretty good chance that he is town. But I still feel like he is.

Look at 199, 251, 424 and 683. All of these posts view Billy positively. Either asking for thoughts or simply townreading them. Also, GBJ feels fake here. I know he is fake since he is scum, but he feels even more fake than normal in 251. Feels like he is townreading Billy because it's convenient.
Now I could be wrong. There is a chance that Billy is town, but it certainly would fit perfectly if he was scum in this scenario.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Ok, now that I think Map is town, I want Non then Skitter in that order. I dont have any other things from a PoE. You can lynch me after those two.

VOTE: Non

[Menalque]

I’ll be around tomorrow

[Kanna]

@skitter; Apart from POE, Billy isn’t that scummy imo? His posts feel like genuine gamesolving (even though I don't agree with his reads) and he doesn't really have scum agenda so I'm lukewarm on him right now.

Also petty reason but I refuse to believe this is a scumslip. I refuse.

hey im finally online

billy: seems town
guilty: town
kanna: town
mapwolf:town
skitter: null
uncrowned: mixed
mena: mixed
non imh: scum

I'm actually leaning this to be a townslip because I don't think GBJ would be that obvious about his partner.

[Kanna]

@Billy; I really disagree about non...seriously why is he most likely to be scum?

[Kanna]

Happy holiday season everyone!!

[Uncrowned]

To be fair he (Billy) can't really have much of an agenda right now outside of avoiding a lynch today. The gamestate doesn't really give him many options.

What's interesting to me now is that GBJ had Skitter as his only null read. Could this have possibly been to avoid associations?

[Uncrowned]

He's also got me and Mena as "mixed" which I assume is like his SLs and Non as his SR, makes me think it's less likely to be Non. I don't think many people bus D1.

[the worst]

Micc replaces Non lmh.
(vc coming shortly)

[Micc]

ok so I haven't read anything but this last page, but by questions are why are people voting billy and why is billy voting me?

[Micc]

my initial take is that billy and skitter being the lynchpool makes a lot of sense from a VC analysis standpoint.

and that mass claim can wait until tomorrow. the day 2 mass claim was powerful in matrix6 but with the masons I think it does less on average here

[Micc]

ok so I haven't read anything but this last page, but by questions are why are people voting billy and why is billy voting me?

I would find answerers to these to be useful fwiw. I prefer to let the conversation take me to the defining parts of the game as opposed to reading start to finish for replacing in

[Micc]

skitter, can you walk me through the last 48 hours of day 1. Why isn't your vote in play?

[Uncrowned]

BP has been voted for a few reasons. Personally, I see the main influence being BP's defense of the GBJ wagon, there seemed to be a connection between the two of them. I also thought he may have been a little reluctant in hammering GBJ but eh. I actually believed he had a pretty townie D1 but with the lynch and my PoE he fits in as one of the more probable scum slots here.

I'm starting to think it may be Skitter though. Her being listed as "null" while everyone else got a TR, TL, SL or SR from GBJ is concerning to me

[Micc]

Kanna was even more reluctant to hammer GBJ as far as I could tell. and skitter never showed up after giving intent on a different wagon. I don't think I buy reluctance to hammer as scum indicative for billy here.

deadline's coming. why isn't your vote in play uncrowned?