Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Something_Smart]

okay, so what do you think that says about her alignment?

Probably > rand scum but not by much. I don't know Datisi well enough to say with any confidence.

[Menalque]

Spoiler:

Is there really no other reasoning you've kept your vote on GL, @texcat? Nothing else from him you find AI one way or the other?

VOTE: Creature

I don't wanna flip GL. I'm still okay going back to Amrun if possible, but I'm definitely not impressed by Creature so far either.

This is scum

Okay.

VOTE: Daitsi

The posts are saying a lot of nothing, they were the first on Amawesome, they immediately went to creature.

And they’re asking fluff questions and staying under the radar.

I used my heat seeking scum directed lance and it brought me to datisi.

Dogwatch
Iconeum
DrDolittle
alimdia
Texcat
AaronFrost

Probably in this list. Not exactly sure where.

Datish
Amrun
DrDolittle
AaronFrost

Pick one to lynch

Fire list, Creature. Fire list.

Join DDL.

I’d rather Datisi lynch, and that last post of them makes DDL-Datisi likely

Join on DDL, Creature.

If a couple more come on, we can transfer the wagon

pret being confident on datisi scum

[Something_Smart]

If you couldn't tell I'm not playing a very good game, playing mafia around the holidays is always hard.

[Menalque]

@SS what is your opinion on Pret's play? not specific to this game but in general

also can you answer this please

[Something_Smart]

That is way too vague of a question

[Menalque]

If you couldn't tell I'm not playing a very good game, playing mafia around the holidays is always hard.

well apparently neither am I given that people are somehow thinking that me catching scum will be scum!indicative for me if ddl flips scum

[Menalque]

it is deliberately a little vague because I want your opinion rather than indicating to you what I want from you as an answer if you're scum

[Menalque]

ah fuck it, okay, my point is what do you think of FL's play vs creature that you've been much more focussed on creature's vs Pret's reads despite pret having been similarly confident in datisi!scum vs creature's confidence in amrun!scum

[Something_Smart]

pret being confident on datisi scum

Oh I didn't look that far back. Yeah I'd probably join that wagon, even though Boon is known to use false bravado frequently.

[Menalque]

incidentally I'm beginning to have doubts about ddl!scum

I'm not sure if scum!ddl does this little to try and avoid his lynch now that it's looking likely

[Something_Smart]

ah fuck it, okay, my point is what do you think of FL's play vs creature that you've been much more focussed on creature's vs Pret's reads despite pret having been similarly confident in datisi!scum vs creature's confidence in amrun!scum

Boon is a lategame solver. I have extensive experience with him but like 75% of the times we've played together he's been scum and so I actually don't know too much about his towngame, but he usually got better as the game goes on.

More importantly though he never has any trouble getting people to listen to him whereas Creature is notorious for having good reads that are consistently ignored.

[Menalque]

@ddl what was your last scum game?

[Something_Smart]

it is deliberately a little vague because I want your opinion rather than indicating to you what I want from you as an answer if you're scum

I apologize, I would have answered it anyway but I'm on my phone and pressed for time.

[Menalque]

I understand both SS and amruns perspective and they come from so different mindsets that it shouldnt be theatre

can you explain what you meant by this @ddl

[Menalque]

UNVOTE:

[Menalque]

also where tf is icon

[Datisi]

gone for the VLA weekend

[Datisi]

Mena, I don't think you've ever answered, what made you think DDL was the scummiest slot in the game, and how is his disengagement here changing that?

[Menalque]

I see where you're coming from, of course. It does give me an EXCUSE for if you flip town. But then again,

(a) that's not an excuse that's likely to really be convincing to anybody

, and (b) I could certainly come up with other excuses for my own read was wrong-- a favorite of many people is "it's their own fault they were mislynched, they shouldn't have played so scummy," which I personally hate (it often amounts to victim blaming).

if you don't think this is likely to be convincing to anyone why did you spend 1683 laying out reasons for why this is as valid a reason to vote someone as voting them off your own back

also your point B seems to just be avoidant to me

[Menalque]

Mena, I don't think you've ever answered, what made you think DDL was the scummiest slot in the game, and how is his disengagement here changing that?

I think his D1 was scummy and I still think his D1 was scummy -- I think he was posting around the average amount, staying in the middle, but his content was significantly not geared towards actually solving or sorting which is more often scum than not

his disengagement here is enough that it's at least making me question my SR because idk if scum does this little to prevent their lynch/if his scum buddies would also be doing such little to prevent his lynch

[Menalque]

Mena, I don't think you've ever answered, what made you think DDL was the scummiest slot in the game, and how is his disengagement here changing that?

I thought his D1 was scummy and I still think his D1 was scummy -- I think he was posting around the average amount, staying in the middle, but his content was significantly not geared towards actually solving or sorting which is more often scum than not

his disengagement here is enough that it's at least making me question my SR because idk if scum does this little to prevent their lynch/if his scum buddies would also be doing such little to prevent his lynch

ebwop

[Menalque]

I keep expecting S_S to explain that naked vote on me, but nope. Just hangin out for presumably no reason.


I strongly townread GL now, fwiw. On day 1 I could not follow his train of thought in a genuine way. D2, with the realization that he was comparing it so specifically to high noon, I do.

Menalque, why are you categorizing DogWatch as a lurker? I don’t.

The more this day goes on, the more I'm townreading Amrun. Natural progression in reads, willing to look outside the box, feels like trying to solve the game.

Amrun do you think I'm mis-reading you or reading you in bad faith

Also, I'm not comfortable with Menal pushing DDL. I didn't like the DDL wagon on D1, and I don't like the push on DDL now.

This particular post also comes off extremely townie to me.

I've got bad vibes on the Datisi slot, but nothing I can bring to words further then I've already done. Yeah sure this might come off as shading, but it's just what I feel this game.

why, at this point did you not like ddl and what precisely about that post makes it extremely townie?

[Datisi]

Any thought about DDL being bussed?

[Something_Smart]

if you don't think this is likely to be convincing to anyone why did you spend 1683 laying out reasons for why this is as valid a reason to vote someone as voting them off your own back

I mean it is a valid reason. It's also a reason I chose. That doesn't absolve me of responsibility for the vote.

[Menalque]

1694 is so contradictory it's actually one of the main reasons that I'm TRing icon bc I think he tries to be more consistent when he's scum and I don't really think scum!him decides that calling me town and scum in the same post is the best way to get my lynched, I think he'd focus more on creating a narrative of how he ended up SRing me

main concern around icon!scum is that I know now that he'd consider me someone to get rid of and this does have "leaving the door open" vibes to it