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Post Post #10800 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:36 am

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If you're going off of gobbledygook's list, it included me. A slot which would never be allowed to live to LYLO
and also got a cultist lynched with their claim


Also, I got jailkept night 1 (read the flavor that night. I knew KidAmn was probably a jailkeeper after reading it. Thus why I said my power might go through being blocked) and there was a recruit that night. So yeah.
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Post Post #10801 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:38 am

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In post 10800, Rautherdir wrote:If you're going off of gobbledygook's list, it included me. A slot which would never be allowed to live to LYLO
and also got a cultist lynched with their claim


Also, I got jailkept night 1 (read the flavor that night. I knew KidAmn was probably a jailkeeper after reading it. Thus why I said my power might go through being blocked) and there was a recruit that night. So yeah.
Roleblocker, not jailkeeper. At the time I thought KidAmn was some sort of roleblocker. But then a roleblocker flipped and KidAmn claimed.
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Post Post #10802 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:39 am

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In post 10799, Rautherdir wrote:Why A50?
Cult leader is probably chennis as far as I'm concerned. I doubt there would be three variations of 'doctor-with-negative-utility' in this game. Especially when several other roles have flipped that could also fill that sort of slot in the setup.
He's on the CL shortlist + we still know nothing about him.

Regarding chenn, we are least have some information on him, in that he's a zealot names Father Fields.
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Post Post #10803 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:39 am

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In post 10801, Rautherdir wrote:
In post 10800, Rautherdir wrote:If you're going off of gobbledygook's list, it included me. A slot which would never be allowed to live to LYLO
and also got a cultist lynched with their claim


Also, I got jailkept night 1 (read the flavor that night. I knew KidAmn was probably a jailkeeper after reading it. Thus why I said my power might go through being blocked) and there was a recruit that night. So yeah.
Roleblocker, not jailkeeper. At the time I thought KidAmn was some sort of roleblocker. But then a roleblocker flipped and KidAmn claimed.
What part of the N1 flavour says you were roleblocked? Can you please quote it for me?
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Post Post #10804 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:41 am

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Gobbles is quite possibly cult now. So why are you using a list from someone who's possibly compromised?

Also. Zealot. Is. Probably. Cult Leader.

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Post Post #10805 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:43 am

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In post 10804, Rautherdir wrote:Gobbles is quite possibly cult now. So why are you using a list from someone who's possibly compromised?

Also. Zealot. Is. Probably. Cult Leader.

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I hear you, but I also have role-related information in this game that suggests outside canon + flavour can be useful in this game.

So I'm kind of torn bcz Father Fields is a good guy in the lore, but the zealot bit looks a bit iffy.
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Post Post #10806 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:46 am

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In post 4859, chkflip wrote: The Half-Elf sauntered through The Rusty Dragon -- as he often does -- when he was stopped.

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Why don't you go ahead and take a seat there, friend.
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A sly smirk crossed the Half-Elf's face, but he was interrupted by the man before he could reply.

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I'm not really askin' so much as I'm tellin'...
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The large axe on the brute's back seemed to be all the exclamation needed. The Half-Elf obliged.

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Not like I had much to do this evening, anyway.
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The much larger man chuckled as he finished his ale. He waved the barkeep down for another.
Might as well go ahead and claim that I'm the half-elf.
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Post Post #10807 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:48 am

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Ahhh ok, I thought you were claiming the roleblock for a sec, which is definitely RC's character.
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Post Post #10808 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:50 am

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So that really just leaves A50, UT, and chenn.

But UT and chenn both have fcop results on them. We have nothing on A50.
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Post Post #10809 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:52 am

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There's also davesaz. Maybe.

Also, UT has a flavor cop result?
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Post Post #10810 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:54 am

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In post 10809, Rautherdir wrote:There's also davesaz. Maybe.

Also, UT has a flavor cop result?
Gobble got a message from RC saying Dave was town.

BB's most recent fcop was on UT. UT is Ronan Thomias or something like that. Pretty sure it's a homebrew bcz his name doesn't come up in the lore.
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Post Post #10811 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:55 am

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In post 10399, BBmolla wrote:N1 - Flavor Leaf (Bobert the Drunkard, he's stuck here)
N2 - Wooper & Chennisden (Inconclusive; Father Fields, zealot)
N3 - Pine & EP (Cayden Cailean, probably not the actual god but a chill dude named after him(?), also confirmed motivated me via flavor; Ace Brocolla, collesieum owner who loves a good show)
N4 - UT (Ronan Thomias, honorable man, loves his patron)
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Post Post #10812 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:55 am

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Huh. I guess UT probably isn't runelord then? Also, that's assuming that Gobbles isn't compromised.
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Post Post #10813 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:56 am

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I’m not compromised. Even if I was, I’m not the cult leader obviously.
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Post Post #10814 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:57 am

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I'm not saying you're the cult leader. I'm saying you were probably recruited. You put me and UT on your list and I am almost definitely not the cult leader, and UT probably isn't.
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Post Post #10815 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:58 am

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In post 10794, Rautherdir wrote:They want to prove that I can hammer today without dying, as far as I can tell. That doesn't mean their inno was fake.
...why???????
Why would you be lying about that? It doesn't make sense.
In post 10798, EspressoPatronum wrote:All that being said, there's a possiblity of Korina being a shapeshifter who could xform into the Aasimar woman, which would mean the list isn't useful anymore and none of the above is useful.
If, as you were thinking, "godfather" means "can appear as a different character in flavor," why would he appear to be a character who is just as suspicious as his actual character?
In post 10808, EspressoPatronum wrote:So that really just leaves A50, UT, and chenn.

But UT and chenn both have fcop results on them. We have nothing on A50.
I already implied that I have at least half a something on A50. Now I'm doing so again. It's possible he has exactly the right role needed to be the cult leader despite this. If you want to lynch him anyway, I do not plan on claiming in order to prevent it.
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Post Post #10816 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:03 am

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Alright cool. So gobbles drastically changed the CL list from yesterday to include three people who probably or definitely aren't the cult leader. Wonderful.
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Post Post #10817 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:07 am

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In post 10815, Cephrir wrote:
In post 10798, EspressoPatronum wrote:All that being said, there's a possiblity of Korina being a shapeshifter who could xform into the Aasimar woman, which would mean the list isn't useful anymore and none of the above is useful.
If, as you were thinking, "godfather" means "can appear as a different character in flavor," why would he appear to be a character who is just as suspicious as his actual character?
I honestly don't know.

We have information that seems to contradict other information, so I'm kind of just throwing out possible explanations. I've either missed something or someone is lying.

Here's what's on the table:
- Korina's character in the lore is a shapeshifter. I forget her name off the top of my head, but it might be Xanesha.
- FF was killed by the black sword (scum factional kill maybe?)
- Amrun's list should have the aasimar woman on it
- bcz of Amrun's list, fmpv the aasimar woman appears to be UT
- BB has a fcop result on UT showing that he's not the Aasimar woman

What do you think? You seem to be one of the few others looking closely at flavour, so your opinion on the matter will be very helpful.
In post 10808, EspressoPatronum wrote:So that really just leaves A50, UT, and chenn.

But UT and chenn both have fcop results on them. We have nothing on A50.
I already implied that I have at least half a something on A50. Now I'm doing so again. It's possible he has exactly the right role needed to be the cult leader despite this. If you want to lynch him anyway, I do not plan on claiming in order to prevent it.
Noted. Given how small the CL list is though, I'm not sure how useful implied 'half a somethings' will be here. It's kind of an all or nothing situation.

We'll have to see how A50 responds.
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Post Post #10818 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:12 am

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In post 10816, Rautherdir wrote:Alright cool. So gobbles drastically changed the CL list from yesterday to include three people who probably or definitely aren't the cult leader. Wonderful.
What parts of the list drastically changed? From what I recall, he started from the list in and pared it down according to the investigation information from today.
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Post Post #10819 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:13 am

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EBWOP -
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Post Post #10820 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:16 am

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The list from yesterday was:
- chennisden
- davesaz
- DEB
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Post Post #10821 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:18 am

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At least at the end of the day it was.
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Post Post #10822 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:19 am

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In post 10817, EspressoPatronum wrote:What do you think? You seem to be one of the few others looking closely at flavour, so your opinion on the matter will be very helpful.
I'm with you at this point. I don't understand what happened and I (regrettably, since we did what seems to me to be some quality detective work here) think we should just table it.
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Post Post #10823 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:22 am

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Chennis was removed without comment, as far as I can tell.
davesaz was removed because gobbles apparently got an inno for him.
DEB got removed because of the flavor cop's result, I guess. Though I am starting to question why that result makes DEB not cult.
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Post Post #10824 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:31 am

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In post 10823, Rautherdir wrote:Chennis was removed without comment, as far as I can tell.
davesaz was removed because gobbles apparently got an inno for him.
DEB got removed because of the flavor cop's result, I guess. Though I am starting to question why that result makes DEB not cult.
I guess it comes down to whether you trust gobble. If you think he's shady, then you'll probably come to the conclusion that any changes to the list have an ulterior motive.

If you think he's town, as I do, then it makes sense that the shortlist would change in light of new information.

Your suspicion of gobble might be a result of your name being on the shortlist, but it's worth recalling that you looked really sus at the beginning of the day. While you've given us a decent explanation since then, your lie detector choices seemed off. In addition, RC won't stand by his daycop on you and instead wants you to hammer+kill yourself to prove your alignment.

The only thing that took you off the CL list in my eyes was the N1 jailed claim. I definitely missed it when you claimed it earlier, so perhaps gobble didn't see it either.
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