Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Menalque]

Here's a breakdown of why I don't like your GL case Mena.

your reaction was massively over defensive and I don’t really see why town!you would be worried about it

I don't think his reaction was over defensive. And even if it was, is being defensive a scummy trait? Town players have every reason to defend themselves as much as scum players do.

in hindsight I think it wasn't as over defensive as I thought it was at the time. but I read 1600 as pretty defensive, and I thought him making an entire post (1601)entirely based on semantics possibly implying I'm scum was an effort to make me look worse which seemed more like someone feeling worried about a changing read and not the way I would expect someone to react to one of their TR's reconsidering them (where I would expect there to be an attempt to reassure). going from me being town to "if you think this is my scum game then you're probably just scum" also felt like a super charged way to interact with a slot you were TRing up until that point (he says this isn't true -- I think that's probably fair, but at the time I thought he was TRing me so the shift felt much more abrupt) in 1607

You seem off as well in that you’re choosing to throw quite subtle shade at me instead of trying to work with me

Where was he throwing shade at you?

1600, 1601, and 1553 which we discussed on literally the next page of the thread

You’re making a really weird semantics point while simultaneously saying that it’s not so much to influence the game as it is for you to look back at later despite that it’s obviously influencing the game by throwing shade at my slot

Again where was the shade?

already answered

Your immediate reaction to being voted is also really defensive “how could you possibly be scum reading me” and again trying to throw shade at me which isn’t what I think you do with someone who I’m pretty sure you were townreading before

Again I don't think GL has been overly defensive in the way which you're painting this to be.

as noted, this is probably fair. but instead of asking me at the time why I thought he was being overly defensive (ie that he shifted from a hard TR on me to going "if you dare think I'm scum you must be scum") you just called my push bad and didn't pursue it which is ehh

But mostly you’re trying to direct lynches onto the unproductive slots while trying to keep your distance from it by talking about how “I personally don’t have any good reason not to lynch them” which is super awkward phrasing that I don’t think is likely to come from town who I think would just say “I wanna lynch tex/DW for being lurksacks” rather than feeling such a need to justify it

Fair point about tex/Gamma, but I think there's plenty of other reasons for lynching DW other than them just lurking.

okay, which are?

It would also make sense from a gamestate point of view in that scum have probably been relatively happy with things and letting the game tick over rather than highly contesting it which makes me think the most likely slots that looked like they were lynchable today were all town (DW, tex, maybe ddl)

GL's become one of my stronger townreads today because his attempts to solve feel genuine and he's showing a townie mindset. I don't think he's been overdefensive or 'shading' your slot, but rather trying to sort it.

feel like I've already answered the points on over defensiveness and shading. why does me pushing at GL indicate that I'm scum just because you disagree? esp now that I don't really think GL is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Argh I had something from a while earlier I was gonna post but my phone at it
VOTE: Iconeum
As of Page 8 this is where I want to vote most

[Menalque]

you reading the last 3-8 pages would probably be infinitely more useful than you voting based on page 8 @gamma

[Menalque]

oh yeah another point on ddl/AFF scum was I thought they were both kind of positioning on DW to be the compromise lynch

[Menalque]

yeah I think I'm probably overthinking this

VOTE: ddl

[Menalque]

would rather this didn't get hammered overnight so I can jam a bit more in the morning esp with icon who has been disappearing a bit, but outside of thinking there's scum in amrun/SS I'm still most confident here and I think the wagon is town motivated

[DrDolittle]

How town motivated it is strongly correlated with my flip, so...

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.7

Amrun [2] - DrDolittle, Something_Smart
Dogwatch [2] - AaronFrost, alimdia
DrDolittle [5] - Datisi, GuiltyLion, Dogwatch, Amrun, Menalque
Iconeum [1] - Gamma Emerald

Not Voting [1]

- Iconeum

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-12-21 11:56:16)

[Amrun]

Reevaluation, amrun.
Revise and resubmit

Based on what? It was very early game. What did you re-evaluate, specifically?

[DogWatch]

if ddl flips scum then bussing isn't a bad thing to look at but it is a terrible thing to look at re:me given the fact that I am an outspoken proponent of not bussing and on a more meta level: why do I choose to break that as scum rn when team mafia is coming up in all of 2 weeks or so

I’m inclined to believe this actually. Menal is such a meta-reliant player (something I can’t relate to) that it seems sensible he’d want to remain consistent with this stance for his own sake. If DDL flips red like I think then menal probably gets a hard TR from me.

[DrDolittle]

Why I was town reading you. Turns out I had no reason to

[DogWatch]

@gamma I truly don’t mean this as an insult because I hate toxicity in these games, but dude, your slot might as well still be empty. I didn’t love your slot when texcat had it and you really haven’t done anything with it to change that. The one thing we needed from you was content and you’re 8/82 pages in, and that’s not nearly enough to sort you. Can you start on like D2 at least? I feel like reading your slot is imperative to solving this because most of us are really lacking in confident reads across the board.

[DogWatch]

@all, is there any site-meta on replacement alignment?

[AaronFrost]

as noted, this is probably fair. but instead of asking me at the time why I thought he was being overly defensive (ie that he shifted from a hard TR on me to going "if you dare think I'm scum you must be scum") you just called my push bad and didn't pursue it which is ehh

In hindsight I should've asked about that, but I'm not the only one who thought the push was bad either. I'm pretty sure Icon called you out for the bad push before I did.

Fair point about tex/Gamma, but I think there's plenty of other reasons for lynching DW other than them just lurking.

okay, which are?

The wagon hopping yesterday, and in particular I didn't like how she opened today. I am liking her posting a bit more recently though so eh.

feel like I've already answered the points on over defensiveness and shading. why does me pushing at GL indicate that I'm scum just because you disagree? esp now that I don't really think GL is scum

I never said it made you scum, in fact I think I've said more about how you're most likely town here. I disagreed with the push and read, but t looks like you're coming around to town!GL .

[AaronFrost]

Also, S_S is bothering the shit out of me.

Honestly same

[AaronFrost]

Well I said I'd hammer in 12 hours like 24 hours ago so

VOTE: DDL

[alimdia]

pls dun hammer, idk whats happening. reading from page 66

[alimdia]

pedit: zzz

[AaronFrost]

oh uh sorry alim.

Should've posted that like 2 seconds sooner

[alimdia]

why is SS using creatures last words to scumhunt, and why is there 2 pages of argument about whether creatures reads are good or not

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.8

Amrun [2] - DrDolittle, Something_Smart
Dogwatch [1] - alimdia

DrDolittle [6] - Datisi, GuiltyLion, Dogwatch, Amrun, Menalque, AaronFrost [LYNCH]

Iconeum [1] - Gamma Emerald

Not Voting [1]

- Iconeum

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-12-21 11:56:16)

[FakeGod]

DrDolittle, who was

Town

Night 3 Rose

, has

lynched

in

Day 2

.

[FakeGod]

Night 2

[FakeGod]

AaronFrost, who was

Town

Night 3 Rose

,

died

in

Night 2

.

[FakeGod]

Day 3