Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[gobbledygook]

Alternatively we could Daykill Gamma.

[Bingle]

I also think it’s weird because he investigated again last night when we had found the serial killer.

I mean... there's a nonzero chance of multiple serial killers. There's utility in knowing if my ability fails. And, perhaps most importantly, my ability is compulsive.

If we're leashing DEB it's onto a kill target. I'd be happy to see Elements kill DEB and Gamma.

EP 100% uses his vig today because holy shit we're not letting cult have that even some of the time.

Gobble's list looks okay-ish to me.

Dave, eta on being useful?

[gobbledygook]

Then who do we lynch today?

[pisskop]

chenn

[gobbledygook]

The double kill is tempting...

[gobbledygook]

Wait. If Deb was a hider... how did BB get a result on him

[pisskop]

do we even have time to play these games wrt trying to pseudo-clear using literal probable liars?

[EspressoPatronum]

[...]
Gobble's list looks

okay-ish

to me.
[...]

What would you change/add to it?

[EspressoPatronum]

Wait. If Deb was a hider... how did BB get a result on him

Omg. The smoking gun!

[pisskop]

Wait. If Deb was a hider... how did BB get a result on him

he's lying.
ele is lat least honest about lying.
ml is lying.

[Bingle]

Wait. If Deb was a hider... how did BB get a result on him

Because the most common implementation of hider isn't ascetic? It only stops kills.

[gobbledygook]

Wait. If Deb was a hider... how did BB get a result on him

Because the most common implementation of hider isn't ascetic? It only stops kills.

Why did you people change Hider and Traitor into poop versions of their old selves
Is nothing sacred

[gobbledygook]

Wait. If Deb was a hider... how did BB get a result on him

Because the most common implementation of hider isn't ascetic? It only stops kills.

This was made in 2013. 0% chance if DEB is a hider it’s the most common version

[Bingle]

01. Pine - Motivator (Confirmed to exist)
09. BBmolla - Flavor Cop (Confirmed to Exist)
19. Pink Ball -- INNOCENT CHILD (Confirmed to exist)
23. RCEnigma - Messenger (Confirmed to Exist)
32. gobbledygook - Friendly Neighbor (Confirmed to Exist)
26. Elements - SK (Confirmed via night result and ML claim)
40. EspressoPatronum - Dayvig (Confirming or dying today)

02. Untrod Tripod - PI
08. Rautherdir - Lie Detector
15. Bingle - FBI Agent
17. xofelf - Knows number of cult
25. Miss Lynch - Backup SK, makes SK viable to win with town.
34. chennisden - Faith Healer
28. pisskop - Random JoaT, flavor meshes
38. KidAmn - JK

18. Gamma Emerald (Not Cult N1)
33. Cephrir (Not Cult N2)

21. Dr Easy Bake - Hider
24. davesaz
36. Almost50

I'm not sure if I missed any claims. If I did, please share. I think EP was confirmed via something, but I'm not sure what. Of category 2, KA can be confirmed to exist via targeting someone who has a tangible night result. (Myself, perhaps?) Xof, ML, Chen, and pk have minor equity as cult leader/scum. DEB, Dave, A50, EP similar.

Kills in the last category are the best, followed by kills in the second then the third, from a mechanical standpoint. Of the second category, myself, ML, Rauth, and Kid are bad options atm for various reasons.

My list would probably be {DEB, Dave, A50, chen, xof}. I wouldn't mind PK. Gamma is a lower priority given the early not cult result from UT, although he's definitely high groupscum equity given the passivity. If we're gonna double up on killing DEB, he's definitely not the dayvig, though. And I still want to hear from Dave about his promised contributions before the trigger is pulled.

[gobbledygook]

I would put PK in over Dave honestly. This is based off the RC letter I got though.

[Bingle]

This was made in 2013. 0% chance if DEB is a hider it’s the most common version

2013 hider was about even split between ascetic and non, and weak was implied by the role. It's not a smoking gun.

DEB claimed specifically weak hider which is more eyebrow raising in itself.

Him dying is still +equity, although if he can die without losing us a town controlled kill that would be preferable. Similar to Rauth.

[pisskop]

bingle, what's your beef with me?

[Bingle]

Unconfirmed role, not townreading you, potentially cult leader.

I'd prefer other people die over you due to the theoretical utility of your role, but I won't shed a tear if you get shot. :shrug: The random nature of your results format claim also makes this unlikely to change.

[Almost50]

I'm just here to do the killing. When ML meets their win con feel free to lynch me.
Yea sure

This implies you WIN with ML, so why won't you leave the game if you've already won??

OK, assuming you do NOT win with ML leaving, then why are you concerned about HER win con and not yours?

[gobbledygook]

2013 hider was about even split between ascetic and non, and weak was implied by the role. It's not a smoking gun.

DEB claimed specifically weak hider which is more eyebrow raising in itself.

Was it really all the way back then? I thought the change happened more recently.

Why is the weak aspect the part that gives you pause?

[Almost50]

It doesn't look like you need too much help, though, considering DEB looks to be at L-1

Where'd you come up with that? He only had FIVE votes according to the last VC, and it needs ELEVEN to lynch!

day six vote count 6.02

Dr Easy Bake -

pisskop, gobbledygook, EspressoPatronum, Almost50, Pink Ball

chennisden -

BBmolla, Elements

Untrod Tripod -

Pine

Miss Lynch, xofelf, and davesaz have been prodded.

Day Six. 20 alive, 11 lynch.
(expired on 2019-12-28 22:00:00) until deadline (extended due to holiday).

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[Almost50]

DEB is L-1?! How did that happen.

It never did.. unless ML has inherited the role of TSE somehow

[Almost50]

Wait. If Deb was a hider... how did BB get a result on him

HOLY CRAP! You are doing GREAT of late. I don't want you dead anymore. That's for sure.

[Almost50]

Wait. If Deb was a hider... how did BB get a result on him

Because the most common implementation of hider isn't ascetic? It only stops kills.

NO. You canNOT target the Hider directly. EVERYTHING fails. You are investigating an "empty home" because te Hider leaves home and "hides" at someone else's home. You target the person they are

hiding behind

and you get a result (ex: If DEB was hiding behind me, the only way you get a result on him is by targeting

me

. In that case, you get a double result, so your claimed role would have returned "Not SK, Not SK". That's how you know you targeted someone with a Hider behind them).

[Bingle]

2013 hider was about even split between ascetic and non, and weak was implied by the role. It's not a smoking gun.

DEB claimed specifically weak hider which is more eyebrow raising in itself.

Was it really all the way back then? I thought the change happened more recently.

Why is the weak aspect the part that gives you pause?

Hider variants have always been a thing. I myself had a non weak version that was also a gunsmith given to me around 2013 in what was then a Normal game (variant role). The recent change was from hider being assumed weak to hider being just the "dies if target dies, otherwise unkillable" aspect. Explicitly naming it as weak is only something that's been relevant since the Normal updates, but still not damning because it's entirely reasonable to think chk might have updated role names or DEB might have just specified weak because he is aware of the addition to the role.

More than that though, the combination of no crumbs, targeting someone who he is unlikely to be able to read as town without crumbs, being willing to lynch a clear, and targeting someone he wouldn't trust even with the confirmation of their alignment makes it so I don't particularly believe the claim, but the fact that it's not the hider commuter combo variant isn't especially interesting.