Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[gobbledygook]

@gobs: if cL flip shoot for group scum. If not cl shoot in groups 2 and 4.

I’m never shooting Dave. Flavor from RCEnigma message implies he isn’t cult leader or mafia. He could be cultist but I’d rather aim for the head rather than a limb.

I feel pretty confident in my groups that I told Elements to shoot into.

[gobbledygook]

Players who SHOULD be lynched today:
UT, chennisden, Gamma.

Why is DEB not in this group? Everything about him is suspect to the max.

[gobbledygook]

Also 3 days to deadline (even with an extension).

[RCEnigma]

If I were to guess, Id say that maf is F-ed in the A and scrambling to find time to stall because they killed fire.

[KidAmn]

I'm not opposed to anyone in PB's list, but I'd want DEB on it for sure. I'd also like it if certain people stopped assuming prior clears = current clears in a GD cult game.

[Cephrir]

I think it's more that cultists really don't matter right now.

[RCEnigma]

No matter what, im really proud of the people that flavorbroke the mod this game. No one can take that away.

[Pine]

I blindly trust BB and PB

VOTE: Chennisden

[Untrod Tripod]

UT is probably the bugbear. Unless I was even more popular N2 than previously thought.
This seems to make him not the cult leader.

You. Have. A. Flavor. Cop. Result. On. Me.

[gobbledygook]

UT is probably the bugbear. Unless I was even more popular N2 than previously thought.
This seems to make him not the cult leader.

What makes you say that UT is the Bugbear?

[gobbledygook]

If I were to guess, Id say that maf is F-ed in the A and scrambling to find time to stall because they killed fire.

Yeah when he said this it sent my scumdar senses tingling. Mostly because it’s false. The last Mainstream Mafia has 7 groupscum with around 30 total players. This means that there are probably as many dead scum as alive scum in this game.

Also, Pisskop repeatedly committed the Dumb-tell throughout the game, so he had to go. Really thought he was the Bugbear though.

[Cephrir]

UT is probably the bugbear. Unless I was even more popular N2 than previously thought.
This seems to make him not the cult leader.

What makes you say that UT is the Bugbear?

He claimed to visit me night 2

Unless were meant to believe three investigative actions were used on me night 2

[Cephrir]

UT is probably the bugbear. Unless I was even more popular N2 than previously thought.
This seems to make him not the cult leader.

You. Have. A. Flavor. Cop. Result. On. Me.

:shrug:

Idk man. I'd suspect you regardless of all this because of zor.

[Cephrir]

I maintain that cult cop is an awful claim for CL though.

[gobbledygook]

Come to think of it, UT has not been seen anywhere in the flavor. Then again, neither has DEB.

[Bingle]

If we miss the CL in our Lynch, we need Elements to target one of the other CL options while KidAmn targets another. We can have gobble shoot the third.

Imo:
lynch DEB,
jail UT,
SK chenn,
vig A50 or Gamma

This is an awful list. Not only are you lynching the only potentially self resolving role there, you're giving the SK the target that is least likely to be useful to the SK to shoot. Gamma can't be CL unless UT was compromised on D3 (preclaim). UT is a fucking awful JK target because he's both unlikely to be killed and potentially has useful results if town.

Putting forward terrible lists distracts from the perfectly viable one we already have.

DEB, hide behind A50.
Elements, kill A50 because it kills two players and gets you closest to your wincon.
KA, jail either me or Pine. Your choice, don't specify which until Night.
Pine, motivate Rauth.
Rauth, lie detect people who are not conftowned, I'll give you a list in a moment when I look at the various conftowning claims.
Vigs, vig for Cult Leader (groups 2 and 4 of my claimlist). If chenn flips cult leader, vig for scum.

VOTE: Chenn

I think it's more that cultists really don't matter right now.

Okay, let me explain this a moment. Lynching a recruited cultist is bad. We want to hit CL > Groupscum > Killing 3P > Cultists > Town. If we kill off the first three groups, it becomes a game with no scum nightkills, meaning we can just no lynch until UT has investigated everyone then lynch UT. And then we have a nice nightless setup with people who may or may not be able to be made completely IC. People who are cleared early are effectively still cleared by this metric, because they are at best worse lynches than Elements.

[EspressoPatronum]

@Bingle your list assumes DEB is telling the truth. If Chenn flips town, we need to JK the next best CL candidate... which is DEB.

My list works just fine if we swap around UT, Chenn, and DEB accordingly.

[gobbledygook]

If Chenn is town, Bingle scum equity explodes through the roof imo

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Chenn

March onward toward victory, town brethren.

[Pine]

I didn’t motivate Rautherdir? Was I redirected?

[gobbledygook]

I didn’t motivate Rautherdir? Was I redirected?

This is spicy.

[Cephrir]

@Bingle your list assumes DEB is telling the truth. If Chenn flips town, we need to JK the next best CL candidate... which is DEB.

My list works just fine if we swap around UT, Chenn, and DEB accordingly.

I'm not sure we need to worry about this.

@KA pls announce your intentions. It affects my night choice.

[Bingle]

Confirmations in descending order of strength:

34. chennisden - De facto lynch, so no need to sort.
19. Pink Ball (Mod Confirmed not CL or Groupscum)
09. BBmolla (Mutually confirmed not CL or Groupscum with Gobbles)
32. gobbledygook (Mutually Confirmed not CL or Groupscum with BB)
26. Elements - SK (Confirmed via admission and my own Night action result)
40. EspressoPatronum (Confirmed Not CL or Groupscum via Rauth. Soft Confirmed Not groupscum via successful Dayvig)
15. Bingle (Confirmed Not CL or Groupscum via Rauth, Rauth is self resolving)
21. Dr Easy Bake (Dies tonight)
36. Almost50 (Dies tonight)
08. Rautherdir (Dies tomorrow without expending a vig/lynch)
18. Gamma Emerald (Not Cult N1 via UT, not cult prior to yesterday via combination of UT and xof)
33. Cephrir (Not Cult N2 via UT, not cult prior to yesterday via combination of UT and xof)
17. xofelf (Not Cult Today if UT is town)


That leaves lie detection in (Ordered via my preference, with reasoning):

02. Untrod Tripod - HIGH PRIORITY SORT. Knowing he's currently town gives us an higher degree of accuracy on the cult list than any other invest. He could also theoretically be CL with a ballsy claim, but that's really unlikely. If IC'd, probably not killed by GS early because he doesn't threaten them at all but does provide a weapon against their enemies.
24. davesaz - Suspicious, and probs not dying tonight given gobble trusts RC flavor message. Good Lie detect target.
23. RCEnigma - There's a thing here that's not worth claiming. Me and RCE crumbed a thing back and forth, and I'm going to out part of it, but I'd rather he be conftown if possible.
25. Miss Lynch - Probably killed by scum at some point, but I wouldn't mind sorting this. Very high cult equity.
01. Pine - Unarguably the best cult recruit, but probably not CL and almost certainly not GS based on the fact that he's provably motivating town and moderately confirmed town.
38. KidAmn - Very much doubt this is GS with a flipped roleblocker. Very much don't care if this is recruit with confirmable role.

[Bingle]

@Bingle your list assumes DEB is telling the truth. If Chenn flips town, we need to JK the next best CL candidate... which is DEB.

My list works just fine if we swap around UT, Chenn, and DEB accordingly.

If DEB survives the night, he is lynched tomorrow.
If DEB dies but A50 doesn't, it's a guilty on A50.
If A50 and DEB both die, WE DIDN'T WASTE A VIG OR A LYNCH ON EITHER.

Well, you can take pisskop off that list, 8722 reported true. My next price is becoming macho.

VOTE: Iconeum
I'm fine with this dying.

This means Rauth 110% casts the hammer vote tomorrow, btw.

[Bingle]

Me and RCE crumbed a thing back and forth, and I'm going to out part of it

I am either bullet proof or recruit proof, I will not specify which. There may be a restriction to this, but I am notified if this power is used. Nero gave me a magical item that made this happen on N1.