Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Gamma Emerald]

After page 10 I trust S_S and distrust Iconeum, along with Menalque and alimdia
(FYI I’m officially doing the speed reading thing)

[Amrun]

Merry Christmas prod dodge!! Reminder to myself to address alimdia’s question ASAP!!

[alimdia]

I believe so, I did speedread your posts yesterday where you were basically on Amrun the whole time.

That's called having a scumread. A tunnel is when you're absolutely 100% convinced that someone is scum, which I certainly was not.

Er i prob have to reread but I recall you being on amrun most of the day, citing creature.

After page 10 I trust S_S and distrust Iconeum, along with Menalque and alimdia
(FYI I’m officially doing the speed reading thing)

Page 10 I-

[Datisi]

I mean, he's made that post yesterday. He's probably at page 15 now, alimdia.

[alimdia]

Does he or does he not remind you of emps lol

[Something_Smart]

Er i prob have to reread but I recall you being on amrun most of the day, citing creature.

Yes, I was, but nowhere did I profess 100% confidence. I don't know where you would have gotten that from because I'm pretty much the least confident player I know.

[Menalque]

I know it's the holidays, kinda wanna kowtow with icon and GL tho

[Menalque]

After page 10 I trust S_S and distrust Iconeum, along with Menalque and alimdia
(FYI I’m officially doing the speed reading thing)

can u like give reasons and not just say things

[Gamma Emerald]

Iconeum's mindset early seemed super scum motivated
alimdia asked some weird ass shit that has me suspecting them
I don't like how you stuck to Iconeum early
S_S feels genuine so far

[Menalque]

what do you mean by "how I stuck to iconeum"?

what were the weird things alim asked?

what was it about icon's early mindset that seemed scum!motivated?

[Gamma Emerald]

Icon seemed disappointed that there were very few Roses in a way that suggested he was scum who expect an easy kill-all-roses win
You seemed to defend Iconeum super early, when on top of the scum mindset I saw I don't think he did anything exceptionally towny
I covered the alim thing earlier I feel when I was doing more comprehensive stuff

[Menalque]

eh okay I'll reread D1 a bit later

I'm kinda in holiday stupor for the moment

[alimdia]

Icon seemed disappointed that there were very few Roses in a way that suggested he was scum who expect an easy kill-all-roses win
You seemed to defend Iconeum super early, when on top of the scum mindset I saw I don't think he did anything exceptionally towny
I covered the alim thing earlier I feel when I was doing more comprehensive stuff

I replied to your 'weird shit that alim said' already and you have yet to respond to it.
But you keep bringing it up. wtf?

[alimdia]

@DW can u also explain why amrun is ur top TR? (im assuming top of the list is towniest)

@Gamma Emerald, re ur q about my post 104, I was answering DDL's post 103. The quote was a mistake. (first times using Q++)
For the record I really hate your catchup style. You dont have to comment on every page nani, just the important ones.
Read up a few pages beyond the post you wanna comment, see if anyone else commented on it, and if it got responded to. It might be
obsolete.

here you go again @Gamma Emerald

[GuiltyLion]

sorry for my long absence over the holidays, hope you all have had a wonderful Christmas/Hanukkah if you celebrated or just an otherwise good time this past week! reading up now

[GuiltyLion]

If I had to like take a stab at the gamestate I think I'm still townreading Datisi, Ico, and Amrun, but I don't feel great about it. My gut scumreads are Smart and Menalque but I don't feel great about that either. Gammas slot is bad and I still want to lynch it, but we just lynched two bad slots that flipped town, and I don't have a confident read on Dogwatch or Alimdia. I kinda want somebody else to try to take charge for a little bit because I think somewhere along the way I've been buddied and I don't see it.

Why am I a gut scumread for you GL

idk if I can explain it honestly, you just feel different to me than our last two games together - it feels like there's more of an agenda/plan to the stuff you're doing and you're consciously trying to emulate your townplay rather than just being your townself. I can't really give firm reasons outside of the DDL tunnel D1 and your brief push on me D2 tho, it's entirely gut and I waffle on it myself constantly

[GuiltyLion]

@GL: if you’re gut scumreading Menalque, why do you care that she’s townreading Datisi?

because generally I'd not put much stock in a town!Menalque and scum!Datisi universe given his claimed experience with her. if I can feel good about their associative not being theatre then that means Datisi is town regardless of what Menalque's alignment is

[GuiltyLion]

also like I said Menalque, I'm still scum reading primarily in slots that were off both lynches and don't seem to be controlling the game state which is making me feel like someone more active is scum in my town pool... like if we had infinite lycnhes I'd just roll on through Gamma next here but I'm worried my overall reads are way off right now

if you wanna kowtow let's talk the Datisi/Amrun/DogWatch block that was with me in the middle of both lynches - possible there's no scum in there? What's your latest on DogWatch and Amrun?

[GuiltyLion]

As I said when I voted him, I didn't like post 38 where he voted Datisi for pointing out that there were 3 scum. I originally thought this was just a RVS vote, but GL spent some time defending it as a serious vote. So it wasn't the actual vote that looked scummy to me, it was the way he continued to defend it as serious.

I think Amrun is town mostly based on the wagons. If GL were to flip town at some point, I'd definitely revisit Amrun.

DDL is pretty well stuck in the null column for me. I think he voted me at some point, so just my omgus instinct would move him over to slightly scummy. He's made more posts than I have, but has said less.

Ugh, don’t like texcat’s stance on me - if GL is indeed town, feels like lining up mislynches.

I forgot how much I hated this series of texcat posts.

VOTE: texcat

I just re-read the entirety of d1 hoping for new clarity.

I didn’t really get it, but it still wasn’t a total waste of time.

My scumread on texcat really firmed up.

DDL slot seems worse on review; his progression on me didn’t seem very natural. I forgot he came into the game townreading me. I believe he inned for me and remembers my old glory days, but he may well have rolled scum here. It’s still relatively weaker than some other reads because it would have been easier to try and pocket me as scum in this way.

I feel better about Ico’s slot. The play is erratic but doesn’t seem scum motivated.

My townread on S_S slightly weakened; I felt minmeldy at post 1039, but 1052 feels a little bit like a perspective slip if Ico ever flips town. My townread on AF got a little murky but I don’t want to revisit that for now.

Pret’s professed scumreads: Datisi, texcat
Pret’s professed townreads: GL, Amrun, S_S (weak)

This would be more helpful if we could be sure this wasn’t a townvig, but Sal literally called for town to vig Pret upon creature townflip so... sigh.

Sal’s reads are all ochem the place. I feel like the slots most likely to be threatened by him are: Iconeum, Datisi, and S_S. S_S he specifically said to be wary of on a Creature townflip. Other lesser threats would be DogWatch, DDL, and GL, though he changed stances there several times.

one other reason I have for town reading Amrun is the time sequence between these posts... if she's scum, she either pretended or legitimately reread the game in between the first post and the third, because it was over an hour of time that passed between the two. This kind of timing stuff scum don't generally tend to think about IMO, so I think it raises the odds she's just town and she genuinely reread D1 between these posts.

[Something_Smart]

Why couldn't she be scum who actually reread because she thought it would help her look townier?

[GuiltyLion]

She could be, that just seems pretty significantly less likely. How often do you do that as scum?

[alimdia]

@GL if you think Amrun then Mena has to be scum, like see my 2170 and 2171.
Unfortunately I don't think both you and Amrun are town.

[Datisi]

So what I'm saying is one of the big wagons on Day 1 has to be scum, otherwise Mena is likely scum.

Eh, can you walk me through this?

[alimdia]

So what I'm saying is one of the big wagons on Day 1 has to be scum, otherwise Mena is likely scum.

Eh, can you walk me through this?

My logic is that there were 3 main wagons, 1 kinda wagon (AF but he flipped town)
The 3 main wagons are
Amrun
GL
Creature (town)

So now both Amrun and GL are saying that each other is town. From Amrun's POV then, whos scum? Mena? Since he pushed the Amrun wagon hard. But no, Amrun says Datisi, me, texcat, SS is the lynchpool

Now, I believe it was Amrun and AF who started the GL wagon! So from GL's POV, if its TvTvTvT, then whos the scum?
Heres what he had to say:

If I had to like take a stab at the gamestate I think I'm still townreading Datisi, Ico, and Amrun, but I don't feel great about it. My gut scumreads are Smart and Menalque but I don't feel great about that either. Gammas slot is bad and I still want to lynch it, but we just lynched two bad slots that flipped town, and I don't have a confident read on Dogwatch or Alimdia. I kinda want somebody else to try to take charge for a little bit because I think somewhere along the way I've been buddied and I don't see it.

It's just my weird theory because Amrun or GL isn't being consistent right now.
For the record, I do have my other scum reads but I feel like I'm being taken for a ride right now. Might be why I was paranoid that I thought you slipped earlier Datisi.

[alimdia]

Also theres 8 ppl, 3 scum so about half the people are just pure BS'ing left and right