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[PenguinPower]

[ArthurConyl]

Not cc'ing. Did you happen to crumb D1 or just D2?

I'll be around between now and deadline sans sleep for a few hours.

Just two breadcrumbs on D2.

[PenguinPower]

You see how that doesn't help though, right? You waited to crumb until

after

scum knew the setup.

[Aloratom]

Arthur reads everyone as town. But then he votes Phoenix and still hasn't given an explanation. If he has one I want to hear it.

Again, Arthur never voted me, I voted him. In Plotinus' posts, on the left is the person voted, an on the right - who voted them. I voted Arthur, not the other way around because I think that's what you are referring to.

Acknowledged. For some reason my brain is stuck on this.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 2.06

Stetind, Nordland, Norway

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Lynching

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

ArthurConyl

(1): PenguinPower

chazary

(1): ArthurConyl

Not Voting

(5): Ph0enix, Aloratom, Mitillos, chazary, Farren

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-12-29 19:55:00).

Mod notes:

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[Mitillos]

@Mod: Are you looking for a replacement for chazary?

[Plotinus]

chazary has posted since their last prod so I'm not currently looking for a replacement. I'm going to interpret this as you requesting an early prod^{Rule 12} though. I have nudged them. It won't count against them as a real prod because they weren't due for one before night start (because the timer is slower on weekends)

[Farren]

We need to lynch someone. We're running out of time, and no-lynch would suck worse than usual right now.

Three options: Arthur, chazary, or go outside the claims and lynch elsewhere.

Lynch inside the claim (Arthur / chazary), get it right - F5 with a mislynch still available.
Lynch inside the claim, get it wrong - lynch the other D3, go into F3.
Lynch outside the claim, get it right, win.
Lynch outside the claim, get it wrong ... depends, but we go into LYLO either way.

I'm thinking inside the claim.

[chazary]

Okay. Now to business.

Arthur:

1) Why did you view chazary?
2) Why did you have chazary as "in the middle" in 509 when you had a hit on him?
3) Who do you think chazary's partner is, and why?
4) Why did you think you had a chance of surviving to D3 without claiming, given a) how this day has gone so far, and b) what happened to Enter on D1?

1) Because I found him the most suspicious and also just intuition. Process of elimination; Cheeky was townie, one guy was inactive, Ph0enix and Penguin were good, Gyro and Farren were scummy but not as scummy as chazary
2) Because I wanted to lie low and not attract his attention. If I started to be outspoken, I was worried I'd be NK'd.
3) Probably Farren or Penguin. Penguin's been a bit shady and lying low D2. I still don't forgive Farren for naked voting me after Cheeky.
4) I thought I could lie low and sort of stay out of the spotlight, but I didn't realise how scummy people found me. It would have been good if I could've survived until D3, never mind now. Also we've killed off the doctor so yeah,

Mhm

So guess its time for me to

claim tracker

.

I tracked Arthur but didn't get anything. Still felt he was a bit suspicious and clearly I was right to think so. That's why I still scumread him D2 but haven't voted in case he got replaced and the new person would allow me to rethink my position. Now that he's claiming cop I think I have a theory of what's going down.

Arthur is scum, duh. Rolecop targeted me, whoever that is, and also killed Cheeky, leaving Arthur with no action. Idk what the purpose of this was. Probably because Arthur was the second scummiest of the bunch near the end of D1 so they were predicting a track on him, like I did. If so, smart play.

So thats why I didn't get anything from tracking Arthur. Now when people insisted to vote for Arthur he decided to claim cop and paint me as scum in order to lynch the only threat left to them, knowing I've been distant from the game (sorry about that btw) and might not return to defend myself in time.

Here are a few questions for Arthur as to his cop claim and scumread on me:

I understand not wanting me to kill you night 2 for targeting me after night 1. But then why would you say I'm leaning more town now in your breadcrumb rather than something hinting at a bit more of a scumread? That way when someone picks up on the breadcrumb they can also gather what you found. Makes me think this plan to lynch me after claiming was last minute.

Why wait so long to claim your role? Farren's intent to hammer was there and yet you still hesitated. And then you admit defeat "I'm dead now either way" as you claim. Why is your claim, your biggest defense, grouped in with what is basically you giving up?

How can you say you wanted to lie low to prevent from being voted for after you just said Penguin is scummy for doing the exact same thing? And how on earth do you think thats a good strategy anyway when everyone is scumreading you, not just one person you can try to avoid. I don't understand this logic at all.

I would suggest you guys start voting chazary if you want to lynch a

Mafioso

by the end of D2.

Finally, why are you so insistent on people voting for me. I know the clock is ticking but you seem extra eager to get these votes on me after such a flimsy claim.

And with that I bid you all adieu until (possibly) D3. I won't be able to come back until after the deadline is finished so it's in everyone else's hands now.

VOTE: ArthurConyl

[Farren]

chazary, if you're still around - looks like you just posted that - you thought Arthur was suspicious so chose to track him. If Arthur was scum, he was clearly the most suspected. If you're Tracker, then that means scum have a rolecop and thus knew they were up against a tracker as of N1.

Basically, why track the most suspicious person in general when scum would know that there's a Tracker - and thus would probably assign the kill to the less suspicious of the two?

[Farren]

And I've gone from "we should probably lynch within the claim" to "we should definitely lynch within the claims."

I don't think it likely that Arthur and/or chazary are going to vote elsewhere given the circumstances. And we don't have enough time to push elsewhere.

[Mitillos]

@Mod: Huh, so he did. My bad. Also, important rules question: If a mafia member has a night action, can they perform both it and the kill on the same night, or does each mafia member get at most one action?

@Farren: We were never lynching outside the claim. It was a 1v1 the moment Arthur said he had a guilty. If we mislynched and got it wrong, we'd be in LyLo and still need to figure out what is happening between Arthur and chazary.

[Mitillos]

@Mod: Never mind, it's there on post 2.

[Mitillos]

Also, @Farren: I meant if we lynched outside the claim and got it wrong. Sorry for the confusion.

[Plotinus]

A Mafia member with a night action can perform both it and the kill in the same night.

[Farren]

Also, @Farren: I meant if we lynched outside the claim and got it wrong. Sorry for the confusion.

No confusion.

It's an argument for another time. Right here, right now, I agree that lynching in the claim is the only logical choice.

[Farren]

Currently, my opinion of Chazary is more in the middle. Obviously, I still don't trust him to be town,

but I wouldn't say I want to lynch him for being scummy.

Probably because he acted strangely before my vote, but his posts have seemed more townie since then.

This does not sound like a cop talking about their hit.

[Mitillos]

Yeah, Arthur has been too wishy-washy on chazary, for someone claiming a guilty.

VOTE: ArthurConyl

L-1

Alright Arthur. If you lied, great, have some rope. If you told the truth, then at least you know that chazary is tomorrow's lynch no matter what and you made a positive contribution to finding scum.

[Farren]

Agreed.

Intent to hammer

. Will hammer when I get up tomorrow - which will be before deadline.

[ArthurConyl]

Good old logic to the rescue. Right now its a 1v1 between me and chazary.

If you lynch chazary and he's scum, that leaves me, as town cop.
If you lynch me and I'm scum, you're left with a tracker.

Cop is better than tracker. Therefore you should be lynching chazary.

[Mitillos]

Your "logic" is completely flawed. If you're scum and are lynched, the only one left with any night action other than the tracker is your partner. At that point, a cop and a tracker are basically equivalent, unless mafia decides not to kill for some bizarre reason. Also, if whoever isn't lynched is telling the truth, he is confirmed town and is probably going to die overnight anyway. Finally, if you're the cop and are somehow left alive, there's still the chance of you being roleblocked, which would basically turn you into a VT, which is worse than a tracker (who doesn't have this problem).

[ArthurConyl]

Gonna speed up the game: VOTE: Arthur

[Farren]

Guess I don't need to set an alarm clock tomorrow.

[ArthurConyl]

"We will watch your game with great interest."
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Palpatine

ArthurConyl, 2019

[Mitillos]

@Arthur: Thank you for revealing your partner's identity.